[MPlayer-dev-eng] Commit rules and coexistence rules

[Diego Biurrun]

On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 07:58:38PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 05:52:00PM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 02:58:52AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 02:09:50AM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:52:51PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 04:35:35PM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 02:29:36PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:45:17AM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > IMNSHO the active developers should be the ones running the show.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The project is "run" by our docs maintainer who is not a developer at all.
> > > > > > > If you suggest to step back and let reimar & evgeny & ben & luca take over
> > > > > > > root i would support this.
> > > > > > > But that wont happen, you will never step back and let the people who
> > > > > > > actally write the code have the reins. You just use devel activity as
> > > > > > > argument when it serves your goals ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > False.  I am the one who wants to have the people who actually write the
> > > > > > code have the reins, not you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > i did not want to reply, but this statement feels too insulting to let it
> > > > > stand
> > > > > i know better than you what i want. And i would be happy to see the
> > > > > active developers have the reins.
> > > > 
> > > > The active developers have voted and do not share your opinion.
> > > 
> > > many active developers have not voted,
> > 
> > This is interesting: First you want me to revoke an account without
> > any votes from active developers, now you claim that not enough active
> > developers have voted.  What's it going to be?
> 
> As you already misquote me, why not also misquote some awnsers as well?
> I cant awnser your question because its based on false assumtation about
> what i said.

You said

  many active developers have not voted, ben and evgeny did vote for uoti
  to keep his account. Yes

Previously you discarded any arguments based on activity.

The lines are clearly drawn: Almost all the people that support Uoti are
very active, almost all those that don't are very inactive.

> > > You are an invaluable member of the mplayer team
> > 
> > I thought I had just heard you say my contributions were worthless.
> > Well, I'm glad that you have reconsidered.
> 
> I have not, you twist what i said as it fits best in your political
> agenda.
> 
> Let me say it again.
> * You are not a C developer
> * You are invaluable, one only has to look at all the commits you did
>   to know why
> * The leader(s) of a project based on C should be experienced C developer(s).

It rather seems that you are twisting based on your political agenda.

First you discard activity, then you start talking about it...

Now that your "vote" is tied by head count, you have started to
discredit me...

> >  Your idea of democracy seems to be 
> 
> no, i can speak for myself
> 
> democracy means that the decissions are done by the people,
> here decissions about C code should be done by the C developers.

We are not making a decision about C code here.  We are making a social
decision.

In any case, I have never meddled in technical decisions out of my scope
of knowledge.

> > I am not in any way opposed to democracy in general, but I do not
> > subscribe to your ideas about voting procedures at all.
> > Democracy needs a constitution and proper voting procedures.
> > 
> > Also, I do not believe in voting as an adequate means of resolving
> > conflicts in projects like this one.  Plus, I do not think that head
> > count is an appropriate measure in all situations.
> 
> Well and i do not think your head counts infinity while everyone actually
> affected by the decission counts 0.

I do not think my head counts infinity or should count infinity, but I
am affected as much by the decision as everybody else.

> Also one has to decide about the voting procedure before the vote.

Precisely.

> When we spoke years ago you suggested that mplayer should be lead by a
> team containing at least reimar&roberto&you

I suggested you as well back then.

With the benefit of hindsight, it was a mistake not to have insisted
more on forming that team.  It could have saved us a lot of trouble.

> but now as roberto disagreed he is "inactive" and should better not be
> counted. He wasnt active back then either.

Roberto was more active back then than he is now.  I never said his vote
should not be counted.  He is by far the most active on your side anyway.
And I would have no problem with Roberto serving on a leadership team.

> > > If you take the C code away there is nothing left one could use
> > 
> > If I take the C code from the inactive developers away, MPlayer remains
> > practically unchanged.
> 
> that shows nicely how much you know about the C code
> if you take arpis code away theres nothing left.

Umm, sorry, I sent this out without finishing that paragraph apparently.
It was meant to read

  If I take the 2007/2008 C code from the inactive developers away,
  MPlayer remains practically unchanged.

I know very well how much you or Arpi contributed to MPlayer.  The
sentence I wrote above is obvious nonsense, I must have missed it while
rereading the mail...

> > > > Still my commit count to
> > > > C files exceeds that of the 5 people who voted against Uoti.
> > > 
> > > But none of this code is written by you. Nor has any of it been reviewed by you
> > 
> > False.
> 
> reindentions and spelling fixes dont count as written or reviewed C code ...

True, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Diego