[FFmpeg-devel] Mailing List Delay

[James Almer]

On 8/4/2021 12:17 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> On 8/3/2021 11:59 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> somehow this reads a bit offensive to me, iam not sure its meant to
> 
> It's not meant as an attack towards you pesonally, but rather to point out
> the absurdity of the situation:
> 
> * There is no public documentation on:
>      * Who owns the physical infra.
>      * Where it is located or who hosts it.
>      * Who has admin access and how to contact them.
>      * Any way to audit admin access.
>      * Who to contact in case of issues.
> 
> * There is no monitoring of infra at all. Stuff does down for hours and it
>    doensn't get fixed until somene figures out who to poke so they can manually
>    fix it.
> 
> * There is no auto-restat after crashes.
> 
> * Nobody is forthcoming with logs to help debug the issue, if there even are
>    logs, and if we even know who has access. See point one. We are totally reliant
>    on what the admin thinks it may be.
> 
> I find the total opaqueness and 0 auditability or accountability to be rather
> counter to the ideals of an open source project. For all we know, the mysterious
> host is MITMing us, or accessing the machines and doing sketchy things. Do I
> /think/ this is happening? No. But there is literally zero insight available.
> 
> This also makes reliablity issues extra frustrating. It seems very slapdash for
> such a large project, to be honest. I do not mean to invalidate the efforts put
> in here to keep stuff running, etc., but there has got to be a better way. VideoLAN
> does not have any of these problems, for example.
> 
> - Derek

I recall that when the decision to have the ml and other infra hosted in 
Bulgaria happened was because no one really commented on the offers 
available, some of which may have been better or more transparent.

This could be looked at again, assuming the alternatives are still 
willing to provide the hosting they offered years ago.