[MPlayer-dev-eng] ffmpeg fork timeline

[Michael Niedermayer]

A few comments

First id like to thank you for making this list, i think its important to
collect the true facts with references and publish them.


On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 07:00:02PM -0400, compn wrote:
> timeline: 
> 
> 1. ffmpeg switches to git, hosted by videolan because michael niedermayer was not happy with mplayer (mphq) roots/admins.
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2011-January/034558.html

its true we switched, its true i was not happy with the roots and true that it
was to videolan.
But not in that relation.
git was suggested over and over again for years. my oppinion was IIRC neutral
i was neither in favor nor against, i remember objecting to do the switch during
google summer of code to avoid causing avoidable problems to the students.

earliest git request (2005)
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/25804/match=git

the repeated requests over the years for git on mphq are not fullfilled

fast forward to dezember 2010  (i already posted that one, but better quote
of relevant parts below)
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/122298
    ...
    > According to Janne, we're mostly waiting for an explicit "go" command from
    > Michael. Michael, are you ok with Janne doing the switch now?

    iam ok if

    ...
    * There are no objections from root <at> mphq to the move, actually i would have
    expected some comments from them but only silence ...

    * people are ok with me admin-ing the git accounts, this will reduce the stress
    and flames between me and root <at> mphq

    And sorry for the lack of a reply from me earlier but a mix of busyness and
    also myself not wanting to anger attila and diego with loud support for the
    move have prevented that ...
    ...



>  
> 2. a fork of ffmpeg is started at almost the exact same time as the git switch. and tries to take over the project in the confusion.
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-January/103440.html

>  
> 3. original/official ffmpeg repo is removed from download page by fork team and replaced with fork repo.
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2011-January/034582.html 
>  

> 4. main ffmpeg developer michael niedermayer reverts commit to download page.
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2011-January/034746.html


There are a few more relevant ones: (please someone find links to non mphq
archives)

Author: michael
Date: Thu Jan 27 01:44:18 2011
    New Revision: 536

    Log:
    Correctly point to the official ffmpeg repository.
Author: rbultje
Date: Thu Jan 27 02:40:44 2011
    New Revision: 537

    Log:
    Revert r536.


> 
> 4. main ffmpeg developer michael niedermayer is forcilbly removed without vote
> from changing ffmpeg.org's website repo (hosted at mplayer).
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-March/108150.html 


Author: cehoyos
Date: Tue Mar  1 17:20:17 2011
    New Revision: 549

    Log:
    Add git snapshot information.
Author: rbultje
Date: Tue Mar  1 17:26:51 2011
    New Revision: 550

    Log:
    Revert r549.

also a fun read:
[FFmpeg-devel] to hijack or not to hijack (was: [PATCH] source snapshots back in action since a long time)

    1) Most of the infrastructure FFmpeg uses is owned and is paid by either
    Luca, Mans, my brother or me. How can someone hijack something he owns?





>  
> 5. Fabrice Bellard, owner of ffmpeg trademark and domain ffmpeg.org changes dns 
> from being hosted on mplayerhq.hu to a new server ran by Arpi (creator of mplayer). this change was made due to michael, carl and compn asking for this.

Id also like to quote our announcement that we sended to all and that also hit
ffmpeg-dev by someone quoting it later in full (someone should find a reference)
    ...
    No change has been done or is planned to any repository leadership
    videolan is also still open for all past,present and future ffmpeg developers
    to join on equal terms.

    Discussion is still open and we should all try to resolve the conflict.
    Please submit constructive suggestions on how to improve the current and
    past conditions.

    I think FFmpeg is important to all of us.


And our "we should all try to resolve the conflict"
is awnsered by 6.

> 
> 6. fork of ffmpeg changes its name to libav and moves from mphq to a new server. 
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-March/109246.html



>  
> 7. libav project and root @ mphq shutdown the ffmpeg-devel mailing list without vote or even contacting any mplayer developers.
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-March/109281.html 

and id like to add shutdown more lists than announced, like libav-user.

and to add a few more details, i phoned attila in the morning, and he agreed
to provide subscriber lists, assist in the move in the evening and try to
setup forwarding to the new address.

In the evenning it was subscribers only against promiss not to subscribe anyone.
I refused this, and objected to the shutdown


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