[MPlayer-dev-eng] [PATCH] x11 vo drivers override user settings for window placement

[Reimar Döffinger]

Hello,
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:24:24PM -0700, Mark Tiefenbruck wrote:
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> There are only 2 1/2 users complaining because it's still only in svn.
> If you release this, it will become a swarm. We get a swarm from a bug
> with aMSN's system tray icon, which most people can't even reproduce,
> and nobody can reproduce consistently. I think a whole lot more people
> use MPlayer in the first place, and they'll definitely notice when
> their core window manager settings stop working. Remember when it
> happened with just the gl2 driver?

No idea what you are referring to in case of gl2. But I think we have
had far worse breakage in releases so I am not too scared to try it out.
I wouldn't mind a proper solution that works for all either though.
But I'd like to emphasize that these changes were based on bug reports
(mostly xineramascreen not working as documented, so you might argue
that we should change the documentation instead...).

> I'm asking you to stay out of my living room because you're not
> invited. Don't forget, however, that I do have a shotgun. I've already
> written the patch to fluxbox that rejects your flimsy little configure
> requests. I'm here arguing because I care about high quality software,
> and I don't want you to make this mistake.

If you think that improves the situation, fine. But I think that
solution, just like your patch, will fix it for some and break it for
others. And are you absolutely certain that your window manager provides
for everything that -xineramascreen does? And even if it does, sure all
other windows managers everyone might be using do as well?
That we refuse your solution maybe is also be due to stupidity or
stubbornness, but certainly not only.

> But I don't expect any of you to listen for me. Fluxbox has a
> reputation in some circles of non-compliance with standards, but I've
> been working hard to change that (both the compliance and the
> reputation). If I find an expert in the area of the ICCCM, EWMH, and
> client-window manager interactions (say, from gnome or kde), would you
> consider his input sincerely?

Only if it is an expert on real world behaviour who would be willing to
bet his name that it will 1) work as expected and 2) work as desired for
maybe 95 % of users. I honestly doubt that this exists.
The alternative is allowing to configure it. All of which would be much
less complicated if we hadn't the same code messed all over the place.
I guess I might even look at it again myself one day, but it's not a
priority right now.

Greetings,
Reimar Döffinger