[MPlayer-cvslog] r25521 - trunk/libmpdemux/demux_ogg.c

[Diego Biurrun]

On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 03:10:07PM +0100, Balatoni Denes wrote:
> 
> Thursday 27 December 2007 12:44-kor Diego Biurrun ezt írta:
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 09:05:52PM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> > > I worked very hard trying to get Monty's stuff into an acceptable
> > > form, but he had a complete unwillingness to work with us and write
> > > clean code with longterm viability rather than nasty hacks that will
> > > make future work on MPlayer's core even more hellish than it already
> > > is. I really lost track of it after he disappeared. Hopefully someone
> > > will pick it up and clean it up eventually.
> >
> > Rich, ignore this guy, he is just a whining flamer.
> 
> I'm sorry but I have contributed some non-trivial amount of functional code to 
> MPlayer - you can belittle it all you want, but in fact the amount of my 
> contributions is not really magnitudes less than some of the current  
> developer's (and I emphasize current (maybe I should also emphasize some)). I 
> have also been following MPlayer development since 2003. 

Yes, you are always very fond of pointing out code contributions and
try to rate developers by some metric.  I've never seen you divulge the
exact metric though.

But this is completely besides the point since I do not belittle your
contributions.  I haven't done so now, did not do it in the past and do
not intend to do it in the future.

> So please don't call me a whining flamer, when I point out that contributing 
> to mplayer is a slow and  tedious process (sometimes without success), 
> although it could be made somewhat easier with a little change of attitude on 
> the developers' side. To put it another way, I don't think MPlayer as a 
> project can afford to drive away any potential developers. This is my 
> opinion, and it is not meant to be flame.

I'm glad that you express your opinion in non-inflammatory terms now.
You did not do this before.  You have a tendency to flame and you keep
complaining on the lists, you also complain when requested to make
changes to your patches.  Other contributors just comply without drama,
so forgive me if I call this whining.

There is no doubt that contributing to MPlayer can be a slow and tedious
process.  However, I disagree that this is a question of attitude.  It
is a matter of manpower.  We receive around an order of magnitude more
patches than we have time to review.

Plus, some areas of MPlayer are well-maintained, others are orphaned.
Getting patches to the non-maintained areas committed is naturally more
difficult.

So what do you call potential developer?  More contributors we do not
need, there are more than we can handle already.  What we need are more
reviewers, but these are extremely hard to come by.  Very few committers
review patches, much less outside their area of expertise.

If you have found the magic silver bullet, shoot it at us.  Just going
on about "attitude problems" is not helping any...

Diego