[FFmpeg-cvslog] random thoughts about refactoring

[Jason Garrett-Glaser]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Jai Menon <jmenon86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Diego Biurrun <diego at biurrun.de> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 07:54:46AM +0530, Jai Menon wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:45:16PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
>>> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:48:00PM -0500, compn wrote:
>>> > > > [17:56] <Dark_Shikari> DylanZA was one of our successes last year
>>> > > > [17:56] <Dark_Shikari> he picked x264 over ffmpeg
>>> > > > [17:56] <DonDiego> hmm
>>> > > > [17:57] <DonDiego> qual tasks were started after the first year
>>> > > > [17:57] <DylanZA> most reasonable students will pick a couple of projects anyway
>>> > > > [17:57] <DonDiego> to weed out incompetent students
>>> > > > [17:57] <Dark_Shikari> DonDiego: IMO there are two requirements
>>> > > > [17:57] <Dark_Shikari> 1) competent/self-motivated
>>> > > > [17:57] <Dark_Shikari> 2) involved
>>> > > > [17:57] <DylanZA> but if one is too difficult then they choose another. but the poor students might just stick to one project and try their luck
>>> > > > [17:57] <Dark_Shikari> unless you have both, you will have a failure
>>> > > > [17:58] <DylanZA> Dark_Shikari: yuo also need luck
>>> > >
>>> > > > [17:58] <Dark_Shikari> this is why I'm biased against indian/chinese students, they do not tend to be very involved
>>> > >
>>> > > if iam not mistaken our mxf muxer was written by a chinese student together
>>> > > with his mentor baptiste
>>> >
>>> > Kartikey Mahendra Bhatt and Xiaohui Sun were complete failures, then
>>> > there's a bunch of incompetent ones that failed during qualification.
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree with calling anyone attempting a qualification task as
>>> incompetent.
>>
>> So the mere fact that person X applies for job Y ensures that person is
>> qualified to actually do the job? ?You can't be serious...
>>
>> And you are claiming that *all* students who attempted one of the
>> qualification tasks were competent enough? ?You can't be serious...
>>
>>> > > also jai is indian if iam not mistaken and he wrote the alac stuff
>>> > > jai failed on jpeg2k but kamil who i think was from poland failed on that
>>> > > before.
>>> >
>>> > Jai worked well one year and milked SoC for the money the next year..
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>> I'm sorry you feel this way, really. But I'm not going to add
>>> anything. Because I tend to apply certain variants of Godwin's law
>>> when doing anything related to opensource, and If someone is already
>>> biased against "indian/chinese" students, there is nothing I can say
>>> that will make you see differently.
>>
>> I judge people by their actions, not their words, so yes, there is nothing
>> you can say. ?There is a lot you can do, however.
>
> but thats not what you did, you correlated their work(or lack thereof)
> to their nationality, which is what i disagree about,

To clarify, the correlation with nationality is primarily an economic
correlation.  It is a simple fact that people living in countries
where $4500 is a lot of money are more likely to attempt to milk SOC
for the money (and thus, for example, leave immediately at the end
without staying to finish and patch review) than people who live in
countries where $4500 isn't a lot of money.

Obviously, this is a generalization, and there are exceptions.  But
the fact of the matter is that the more the money from GSOC is worth
to a student, the more likely he is to care about the money over the
project itself.

Not accusing you of anything here of course--I'm rather focusing on
the rather large number of Indian and Chinese students who *aren't* a
success.

Dark Shikari