July 2015 - rtmpdump - lists.mplayerhq.hu

New Server
by Michael Niedermayer 10 Aug '15

10 Aug '15

Hi all as you all probably know FFmpeg/Mplayer/... is searching for a new free server & hosting ... We received the following offers for a new server and hosting. If you think any of them are a bad choice then please speak now! i ommited one non free offer and one unspecific offer from a company who alternatively would want to finnancially sponsor us. as well as at least one which would be technically insufficient If i forgot some offer or theres a mistake in the list below please reply and add/correct the offer ASAP! I also intend to add a mention & link to the footer of the FFmpeg webpage for whoever is choosen, several of the sponsors below did not ask for that though. If you object to that, again, please speak now. I intend to accept 2 of the offers below for redundancy, again if you think something else should be done, speak now! 1. from libnova, hosted at OVH (France) 64gb ram xeon server with 4tb storage, no traffic limit, 500mbps wrant 1 gbps burst, prepaid for 2 years should be this one i belive: http://www.ovh.de/dedicated_server/enterprise/2014-SP-64.xml 2. on videolans beefy main server under LXC 3. a hetzner EX40 rented box (rented by ubitux) (we use this one currently) should be this one i belive: https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 4. from kieran hosted in the UK, a old server (we use this one currently) 5. from nexcess, hosted at futurehosting.com Location: Midwest (Central U.S.) Server: Dual Processor Intel Xeon 5620 Bandwidth: 30000 GB CPU: E5620 (Westmere) - 1 x 12MB cache w/HT 2.40 GHz RAM: 64 GB Drive #1: 120 GB SSD Drive #2: 120 GB SSD Drive #3: 120 GB SSD Drive #4: 120 GB SSD RAID: RAID 10 Or 4 x 1TB SATA drives in a RAID 10 OS: Other Linux (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS) Control Panel: Interworx Add-on: Future Engineer Pro Server Management Add-on: Future Protect Backup Service 6. from DreamHack Hardware: We have a few machines spare, and the most suitable of those machines would be this: 1x E5-2407 48GB Ram 4x 4TB SATA (In what ever raid config you want) Network: The location where it will be hosted as redundant 10G connection from AS12552 (www.ip-only.se) The machine would get an own VLAN with a /29 IPv4 and a /64 IPv6 allocation. 7. from Telepoint and MediaHub We can offer you 1 Gbps international connectivity + the server below both *for free* (no monthly taxes or any taxes) and you'll be completely autonomous and free to do with it anything as you see fit. The datacenter where it'll be colocated (Telepoint) is one of the top datacenters in Bulgaria and has been built to cover all standards in the practice. You can see more information and the connectivity it has here: https://www.telepoint.bg/en/carriers The machine we can offer you (it will be ordered brand new): MB: Supermicro X10DRL-i CPU: Intel® Xeon E5-2630 V3 8-Core 2.40 GHz x 2 RAM: 64 GB DDR4 Reg. ECC Storage: LSi storage controller with 4 x 2 TB server disks in RAID 1 + 0 configuration (or any other if you would like something different) Redundant power supply unit All of this will be backed by the UPS and the autonomous power generator of the datacenter in terms of power and by all the carriers you can see on the link above in terms of connectivity. We can easily plug both gigabit adapters for fail-over just in case if the adapter should fail. Of course, there is 24h support available at the datacenter, too. If you need anything else or need more information please let us know and we'll adjust the offer or provide you with any details you need. -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. -- Diogenes of Sinope

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 19 Jul '15

19 Jul '15

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:04:37PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Kieran Kunhya <kierank(a)obe.tv> wrote: > > > On 17 July 2015 at 22:00, Michael Niedermayer <michael(a)niedermayer.cc> > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 04:16:53PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 03:30:26PM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > > >> > On 15 Jul, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > >> > > longer awnser, > > >> > > videolan IIUC would be willing to host some of our services > > >> > > on their existing server but this would require a "quite a bit" of > > >> > > work. videolan uses LXC we do not. > > >> > > > >> > Indeed, and there is a good reason for that, called security. > > >> > > > >> > > also videolan of course would have to agree to everything, its their > > >> > > server of course ... > > >> > > > >> > VideoLAN has very powerfull machines, connected in a correct > > datacenter, > > >> > with a contract, that will outlive any single member. > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Don't take it bad, but seeing the discussions, and the way you manage > > >> > your roots and services migration, you don't seem to care that much > > >> > about being correctly deployed, but to do it fast. > > >> > > >> iam not taking it bad but when you are being told your boxes could be > > >> shutdown without prior notice by the new managment, then yes you try > > >> to move fast, which is what we did. > > >> Not because thats a great thing to do but because it was needed > > > > > > also speaking of that, id like to take the opertunity to thank everyone > > > who helped making that quick move to the current servers possible > > > That is at least alex, arpi, fabrice, beastd, kieran, reimar, roberto, > > > lou, tim, ubitux and probably more who i have forgotten to list > > > > > > In principle we could stay at these servers but i think its better > > > if we use the time available now to move things to some free, > > > higher end servers and hosting and also if possible (volunteers) > > > move to something like LXC or qemu/kvm in the process and have > > > services properly seperated > > > > > > That would give us better servers, more robust hosting than what you > > > get with a 50euro/mo box. more security and at less cost. > > > > Sorry but this is a bizzare and short-sighted goal. Whilst I am sure > > most of the offers mean well it's much better to get help from the > > community because at least we know who they are, where the data is > > stored, easily contactable etc. The person offering free hosting could > > just leave their company and the machine wiped one day. > > > J-B offered that videolan will host ffmpeg. I, for one, would be thrilled > if that were to happen. I trust videolan a lot. so do i, i trust JB, but will JB still be in charge in 5 years? in 10 years? can we trust whoever will come after JB ? I think FFmpeg should stay with a "neutral" provider/hoster. We did something like this once when moving away from sourceforge and it ultimately resulted in the libav fork. [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners. -- Vladimir Lenin

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 17 Jul '15

17 Jul '15

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 03:30:26PM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On 15 Jul, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > longer awnser, > > videolan IIUC would be willing to host some of our services > > on their existing server but this would require a "quite a bit" of > > work. videolan uses LXC we do not. > > Indeed, and there is a good reason for that, called security. > > > also videolan of course would have to agree to everything, its their > > server of course ... > > VideoLAN has very powerfull machines, connected in a correct datacenter, > with a contract, that will outlive any single member. > > Don't take it bad, but seeing the discussions, and the way you manage > your roots and services migration, you don't seem to care that much > about being correctly deployed, but to do it fast. iam not taking it bad but when you are being told your boxes could be shutdown without prior notice by the new managment, then yes you try to move fast, which is what we did. Not because thats a great thing to do but because it was needed also iam not doing the work by choice but because noone else volunteered, i would very much prefer if someone who actually has experience with this kind of thing to do the work. And that i could concentrate on FFmpeg work instead of admin work > > LXC provides service separation and avoid security issues to propagate, > and allows also reuse of VideoLAN infrastructure, if needed (SMTP, same > Web proxy, etc...). It allows VLC and non-VLC services to not conflict, > and allows people to have only access to one LXC. > > I understand that you do not care about such security, but we do. i think you misunderstand, i do want to move to full virtualization for security and for easier migration of services between servers and had mentioned this previously but as with everything in a volunteer project "want" alone does not make things happen. In that sense if someone wants to work on moving some of our services to full virtualization like qemu/kvm or even just LXC, please mail root for this to be discussed or if theres more of a general discussion like LXC vs qemu/kvm then of course the public ffmpeg-devel list [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The real ebay dictionary, page 2 "100% positive feedback" - "All either got their money back or didnt complain" "Best seller ever, very honest" - "Seller refunded buyer after failed scam"

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Re: [rtmpdump] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 17 Jul '15

17 Jul '15

mail didnt reach rtmpdump list, so forwading On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:46:39AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:42:30PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > OVH has poor quality connectivity by the way - this could lead to > > performance issues in some countries. > > Has anyone done some hoster connectivity comparissions /tests ? > it would be interresting to see what the differences are. > > Also which hosters/providers does the community recommand? noone ? nothing ? thats ok but then i hope also noone will complain if we end up with a poor hoster, because we will likely I did look a bit around and i was not able to find anything that made me smarter to make this choice. libnova said they had no problems with OVH, noone else suggested anything else. kieran said OVH has poor connectivity, timothys tests dont really point in any clear direction either If people would suggest which hosters are good (quality, hw, service, connectivity, in a legally stable region not too hostile to free multimedia sw, ...) then we could suggest these to sponsors in the absence of the sponsor having a preferrance. [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Timothy Gu 15 Jul '15

15 Jul '15

On 7/15/15, Michael Niedermayer <michael(a)niedermayer.cc> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:42:30PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote: >> OVH has poor quality connectivity by the way - this could lead to >> performance issues in some countries. > > Has anyone done some hoster connectivity comparissions /tests ? > it would be interresting to see what the differences are. Trying to download from OVH (http://bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/100Mio.dat) - In China's home network (Shanghai): avg. 9 KB/s - In DigitalOcean's LAX1 (Los Angeles) data center: avg. 11 KB/s - In DigitalOcean's NYC3 (New York) data center: over 10 MB/s - In AWS EC2 us-west-2 (Oregon, US): over 2 MB/s - From fate.ffmpeg.org (somewhere in France): about 13 MB/s In comparison: DigitalOcean FRA1 (Frankfurt I believe) (http://speedtest-fra1.digitalocean.com/100mb.test) - China: avg. 2 KB/s (yeah, that's right) - DO LAX1: avg. 10 MB/s - DO NYC3: avg. 10 MB/s - AWS us-west-2: avg. 2 MB/s - fate: 100 MB/s In comparison: AWS EC2 eu-central-1 (curl -o /dev/null http://eu-central-1.ec2.cloudharmony.net/probe/test304kb.jpg) - China avg. 5 KB/s - DO LAX1: avg. 10 KB/s - DO NYC3: >400 KB/s (can't be measured accurately) - AWS us-west-2: >100 KB/s (can't be measured accurately) - fate: >2 MB/s (can't be measured accurately) Only the China test is actually from a home connection. Everything else is from a dedicated server connection. HTH. Timothy

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 05 Jul '15

05 Jul '15

On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 02:36:15PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 03:51:07AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 01:15:51PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 12:45:18PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 07:53:43PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > It is POSSIBLE that we need to move to different servers/hosting. > > > > > We have been informed that the free hosting and servers we use > > > > > currently may become unavailable in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Thus if someone can provide the FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump projects with > > > > > a free server and hosting, knows of some company who might provide us > > > > > with that or wants to sponsor a server & hosting > > > > > please reply ASAP > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > PS: please use reply to all so the thread does not get fragmented > > > > > between mailing lists > > > > > > > > The possibility changed to the worse > > > > we must move > > > > > > > > no details known ATM but if you can help please join > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffmpeg-admins > > > > used SF as i had nothing else, feel free to setup a better ML > > > > > > note, to make this clear there will be no ffmpeg.org or mplayerhq.hu > > > soon if noone helps > > > we need a server we need volunteers to help with the move > > > > quick update > > we got a new server and transferred many things already (ill write > > more later) > > what is not transferred yet is trac and mailman > > if someone reading this knows mailman and want to help please join > > ##ffmpeg-admin on freenode > > we will attempt to switch MX & lists.* that is mainly for mailman to > the new server now it is possible that there will be some turbulences. > All people with postfix & mailman experience are welcome in > ##ffmpeg-admin > > people who (un)subscribed within the last 24h might need to redo that all lists* and MX should be switched now if anyone has suggestions / experience with spam filtering with postfix dont hesitate to post the suggestions but any solution must be secure [....] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. -- Diogenes of Sinope

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Re: [rtmpdump] [MPlayer-dev-eng] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by compn 05 Jul '15

05 Jul '15

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:02:14 -0400 Devin Heitmueller <dheitmueller(a)kernellabs.com> wrote: > > note, to make this clear there will be no ffmpeg.org or mplayerhq.hu > > soon if noone helps > > we need a server we need volunteers to help with the move > > Is there anything you can share about what the current bandwidth > requirements are? It might make it easier to assess whether it's > feasible to host if interested parties could do some estimate of what > the costs would likely be. at least 4TB/month bandwidth. 4tb of storage space. -compn

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 07:53:43PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi all > > It is POSSIBLE that we need to move to different servers/hosting. > We have been informed that the free hosting and servers we use > currently may become unavailable in the future. > > Thus if someone can provide the FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump projects with > a free server and hosting, knows of some company who might provide us > with that or wants to sponsor a server & hosting > please reply ASAP > > Thank you! > > PS: please use reply to all so the thread does not get fragmented > between mailing lists The possibility changed to the worse we must move no details known ATM but if you can help please join https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffmpeg-admins used SF as i had nothing else, feel free to setup a better ML [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Frequently ignored answer#1 FFmpeg bugs should be sent to our bugtracker. User questions about the command line tools should be sent to the ffmpeg-user ML. And questions about how to use libav* should be sent to the libav-user ML.

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by Michael Niedermayer 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 07:53:43PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi all > > It is POSSIBLE that we need to move to different servers/hosting. > We have been informed that the free hosting and servers we use > currently may become unavailable in the future. > > Thus if someone can provide the FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump projects with > a free server and hosting, knows of some company who might provide us > with that or wants to sponsor a server & hosting > please reply ASAP > > Thank you! > > PS: please use reply to all so the thread does not get fragmented > between mailing lists I forgot some things :( i should have subscribed to rtmpdump list first so replyng with fullquote and to avoid a repetition of any project takeovers its needed that someone providing us with a server agrees that the projects hosted on it belong to the domain owners of the specific project or whoever is delgated by the domain owner. And the hoster/server provider would not mess with anything on the box excpt as agreed by the admis or needed for whatever legal/saftey reaosons. Also a guranteed minimum 3 month period to move elsewhere if in the future the free service becomes unavailable would be nice if we can get that about specs: we have 3 servers one has 2x1tb disks, one is virtual and has 500gb disk, the 3rd we are trying to phase out and move things to the other about net bandwidth i do not know exactly, ifconfig and uptime say RX bytes:29816783928 (29.8 GB) TX bytes:941213238690 (941.2 GB) 20:30:47 up 8 days, 4:56, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.07, 0.09 but we had no release in that period and where not on slashdot so this is possibly a more or less signifciant underestimation [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB I know you won't believe me, but the highest form of Human Excellence is to question oneself and others. -- Socrates

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Re: [rtmpdump] [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump possibly searching for a new server and hosting
by compn 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:53:43 +0200 Michael Niedermayer <michaelni(a)gmx.at> wrote: > Hi all > > It is POSSIBLE that we need to move to different servers/hosting. > We have been informed that the free hosting and servers we use > currently may become unavailable in the future. > > Thus if someone can provide the FFmpeg/MPlayer/rtmpdump projects with > a free server and hosting, knows of some company who might provide us > with that or wants to sponsor a server & hosting > please reply ASAP > > Thank you! > > PS: please use reply to all so the thread does not get fragmented > between mailing lists > do you have any kind of stats on what we need michael? rackspace? vhost? bandwidth? storage? i think under 3 tb space, some bandwidth for http and mailing lists and samples repo. dual/quad cpu for trac. might be nice to get working svnweb back for mplayer/gitweb for rtmpdump too. also looking for people to help with rtmpdump project. auto builds? website design? docs? reviewing patches? etc... -compn

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