offtopic: realplayer format
IMHO there are only two needed formats current mplayer don't support: - quicktime - realplayer I know it will be possible to support quicktime, there is quicktime4linux, and qt/mov is in mplayer TODO, but what about realplayer? Is it any tool to convert .rm to something useful? is it any player except binary realplay ? PS. South Park in gnutella is in .rm :-) -- When there's lightning It always bring me down Cause it's free and I see that it's me "Rainbow In The Dark" Who's lost and never found - Ronnie James Dio _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jacek [iso-8859-2] PopЁawski wrote:
I know it will be possible to support quicktime, there is quicktime4linux, and qt/mov is in mplayer TODO, but what about
Only older movies.
realplayer? Is it any tool to convert .rm to something useful? is it
No. Once you have an .rm file, you can do three things with it: watch it with realplayer, extract the sound with some special tricks (substituting the sound device), and throw the file away.
any player except binary realplay ?
There's text-mode thing called trplayer (on freshmeat), but a) it's an audio only player; b) it requires full realplayer installed.
PS. South Park in gnutella is in .rm :-)
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Alex Kanavin wrote:
No. Once you have an .rm file, you can do three things with it: watch it with realplayer, extract the sound with some special tricks (substituting the sound device), and throw the file away.
ffmpeg allows encoding to .rm -- so the format has to be understood somewhat. A friend of mine once did a conversion of some .rm stuff to mpeg using analog. He put the realplayer window's upper-left corner in the upper-left corner of the screen, and played the .rm over TV out, recording that analog signal simultaneously on his TV tuner card. Then he cropped off the everything not in the video and compressed to MPEG. The result actually looked better than the original .rm because the analog step helped smooth the graininess. Not optimal -- but don't forget, we are analog creatures and analog is our friend :) -- Michael Graffam (mgraffam@idsi.net) _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
No. Once you have an .rm file, you can do three things with it: watch it with realplayer, extract the sound with some special tricks (substituting the sound device), and throw the file away.
ffmpeg allows encoding to .rm -- so the format has to be understood somewhat. ffmpeg uses the very first realvideo 1.x file format (it was public). But they are using 7.x/8.x now. it's very very different, but the realvideo
Hi, players understood v1.x files too (for compatibility reasons) so, from an 1.x encoder you can't make an 7.x/8.x player.
A friend of mine once did a conversion of some .rm stuff to mpeg using analog. He put the realplayer window's upper-left corner in the upper-left corner of the screen, and played the .rm over TV out, recording that analog signal simultaneously on his TV tuner card. Then he cropped off the everything not in the video and compressed to MPEG. ehh. what the hack, and quality loss.
The result actually looked better than the original .rm because the analog step helped smooth the graininess. hardware postprocessing acceleration :)
Not optimal -- but don't forget, we are analog creatures and analog is our friend :) :)
btw. under linux, you can make some hack: (it's IMHO, i'm unsure, just my tipp) grab X11 source, and hack an uncompressed file writer into the XImage display function. it will be called for every frame by realvideo player. so you'll have the rm file uncompressed, you have to only get sound with similar trick (using esd, or patching kernel :)) and encode them into some linux-friendly format. if they are using external X libs (dynamically linked), then it' smuch simpler: make a simple Xlib wrapper, with file-writter included. it needs some system programming skills, but once someone started it, he will have many time to finish it in the jail =) A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- mailto:arpi@thot.banki.hu http://esp-team.scene.hu _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 12:13:12PM -0400, mgraffam@idsi.net wrote:
Not optimal -- but don't forget, we are analog creatures and analog is our friend :)
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Pop³awski wrote:
I know it will be possible to support quicktime, there is quicktime4linux, and qt/mov is in mplayer TODO, but what about
Only older movies.
Hi, that quicktime4linux stuff from heroine is ok only for uncompressed files. so it' sunusable in real-life. most qtmov files uses cvid/cram (old files) or the sorenson codec (most new file). we can support cram/cvid using the win32 stuff, but it isn't too usefull, this is why qt/mov support has very very low priority on our TODO. Supporting Sorenson codec is impossible.
realplayer? Is it any tool to convert .rm to something useful? is it
No. Once you have an .rm file, you can do three things with it: watch it with realplayer, extract the sound with some special tricks (substituting the sound device), and throw the file away.
any player except binary realplay ?
There's text-mode thing called trplayer (on freshmeat), but a) it's an audio only player; b) it requires full realplayer installed.
As someone answered a week ago, there is no codecs available. you can try to crack the lib*.so files of the binary-only realplayer and hack it to mplayer, but 1, it's illegal 2, we aren't skilled crackers, so we can't do it You have to wait until someone (like Eugene in avifile team) find a solution, write an emulation environment and plugin loader to make those libs usable with mplayer or other players.
PS. South Park in gnutella is in .rm :-)
Choose not to watch it then. Agree.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Arpi wrote:
that quicktime4linux stuff from heroine is ok only for uncompressed files. so it' sunusable in real-life.
well... qt is nice format to capture from bttv
As someone answered a week ago, there is no codecs available. you can try to crack the lib*.so files of the binary-only realplayer and hack it to mplayer, but 1, it's illegal
what about divx? is it legal? (it's not a flame, I am just curious)
You have to wait until someone (like Eugene in avifile team) find a solution,
I think capture realplayer window frame by frame, and capture sound from /dev/dsp _is_ a solution, it will be hard to sync it, but... :-)
PS. South Park in gnutella is in .rm :-)
Choose not to watch it then. Agree.
RealPlayer is free (not free software, free of charge), so I can watch .rm, but it's a very unfriendly app (and not supporting Xv) -- Change comes slowly But this is what you'll be Somehow it snows in the summer And the sun is freezing me "Otherworld" - Ronnie James Dio _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Arpi wrote:
that quicktime4linux stuff from heroine is ok only for uncompressed files. so it' sunusable in real-life.
well... qt is nice format to capture from bttv why?
As someone answered a week ago, there is no codecs available. you can try to crack the lib*.so files of the binary-only realplayer and hack it to mplayer, but 1, it's illegal
what about divx? is it legal? (it's not a flame, I am just curious) yes. making that divx dll (cracking m$ mpeg4 codec) is illegal. but using that dll isn't (i hope).
You have to wait until someone (like Eugene in avifile team) find a solution,
I think capture realplayer window frame by frame, and capture sound from /dev/dsp _is_ a solution, it will be hard to sync it, but... :-) not too hard, if you connect the audio and video grabber processes. or much simpler: both processes save current timestamp (gettimeofday()) to each frame or audio chunk.
PS. South Park in gnutella is in .rm :-)
Choose not to watch it then. Agree.
RealPlayer is free (not free software, free of charge), so I can watch .rm, but it's a very unfriendly app (and not supporting Xv) yes.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:54:26PM +0200, Arpi wrote:
well... qt is nice format to capture from bttv why?
today (or yesterday, it's pm, now) on video4linux mailing list there was announed NVrec capture tool, I can capture 512x384 picture with 25fps on my K6-2 500 without _any_ frameloss, and I call it AMAZING! output file is quicktime, and I have nothing to watch it (yet), so I convert it to divx (qt2divx - which of course uses avifile)
but using that dll isn't (i hope).
what about spreading dlls? is it legal? can I put it on my homepage? -- Love is automatic pleasure Virtual reality Terminal hate - it's a calculation Send in the child for connection "Computer God" - Ronnie James Dio _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Pop³awski wrote:
today (or yesterday, it's pm, now) on video4linux mailing list there was announed NVrec capture tool, I can capture 512x384 picture with 25fps on my K6-2 500 without _any_ frameloss, and I call it AMAZING! output file is quicktime, and I have nothing to watch it (yet), so I convert it to divx (qt2divx - which of course uses avifile)
Hmm. Interesting. Got an URL for it? -- Michael Graffam (mgraffam@idsi.net) The importance of a suburban struggle has usually been underestimated; it is really very great. - Che Guevara (Guerilla Warfare, "Suburban Warfare") _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 07:04:33PM -0400, mgraffam@idsi.net wrote:
Hmm. Interesting. Got an URL for it?
http://www.ee.up.ac.za/~justin/v4l2/ but it needs old avifile, I can send you small patch to compile it with avifile CVS -- Love is automatic pleasure Virtual reality Terminal hate - it's a calculation Send in the child for connection "Computer God" - Ronnie James Dio _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Arpi wrote:
we can support cram/cvid using the win32 stuff, but it isn't too usefull, this is why qt/mov support has very very low priority on our TODO. Supporting Sorenson codec is impossible.
Not impossible just very hard ;-) Someone should crack that stuff :)
As someone answered a week ago, there is no codecs available. you can try to crack the lib*.so files of the binary-only realplayer and hack it to mplayer, but 1, it's illegal
BTW, is it legal to use dll's?
2, we aren't skilled crackers, so we can't do it
You have to wait until someone (like Eugene in avifile team) find a solution, write an emulation environment and plugin loader to make those libs usable with mplayer or other players.
Hmmm. I've just realized that KDE's konqueror CAN use netscape's plugins. And yes it's working (real content playing inside browser window, flash plugin etc). Since the source of KDE is free we would be able to do it ;-) [ehhh it's C++ ...] So, let's support rm ;-)) -- --[ Gábor Lénárt ]---[ Vivendi Telecom Hungary ]---------[ lgb@lgb.hu ]-- U have 8 bit comp or chip of them and it's unused or to be sold? Call me! -------[ +36 30 2270823 ]------> LGB <-----[ Linux/UNIX/8bit 4ever ]----- _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:30:33PM +0200, Arpi wrote:
we can support cram/cvid using the win32 stuff, but it isn't too usefull, this is why qt/mov support has very very low priority on our TODO. Supporting Sorenson codec is impossible.
Not impossible just very hard ;-) Someone should crack that stuff :) oh yes.
As someone answered a week ago, there is no codecs available. you can try to crack the lib*.so files of the binary-only realplayer and hack it to mplayer, but 1, it's illegal
BTW, is it legal to use dll's? AFAIK yes. I've read at several places, that those DLl codecs are freely downloadable and usable from many sites. Yes, the authors of those never thought that they will be used under linux, but it is not stated as illegal. They didn't limited downlaoding to any OS.
2, we aren't skilled crackers, so we can't do it
You have to wait until someone (like Eugene in avifile team) find a solution, write an emulation environment and plugin loader to make those libs usable with mplayer or other players.
Hmmm. I've just realized that KDE's konqueror CAN use netscape's plugins. And yes it's working (real content playing inside browser window, flash plugin etc). Since the source of KDE is free we would be able to do it ;-) [ehhh it's C++ ...] there _is_ documentation on netscape plugins availagbel. so no reverse engineering/cracking required. also opera can use those plugins.
So, let's support rm ;-)) ok, lets do it :)
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Hmmm. I've just realized that KDE's konqueror CAN use netscape's plugins. And yes it's working (real content playing inside browser window, flash plugin etc). Since the source of KDE is free we would be able to do it ;-) [ehhh it's C++ ...] there _is_ documentation on netscape plugins availagbel. so no reverse engineering/cracking required. also opera can use those plugins.
Do you mean Opera for Linux 5.0 final? I'm afraid it can't. Tibcu _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:44:11PM +0400, Alex Kanavin wrote:
any player except binary realplay ?
There's text-mode thing called trplayer (on freshmeat), but a) it's an audio only player; b) it requires full realplayer installed.
Yeah. I don't know we're talking about the same, but there was a trick to play realaudio (or realvideo but only sound of course) with running realplayer with Xvfb server ;-) This is a STUPID solution like using dual P4 server for cooking just because it will get overheated without cooling ;-) -- --[ Gábor Lénárt ]---[ Vivendi Telecom Hungary ]---------[ lgb@lgb.hu ]-- U have 8 bit comp or chip of them and it's unused or to be sold? Call me! -------[ +36 30 2270823 ]------> LGB <-----[ Linux/UNIX/8bit 4ever ]----- _______________________________________________ Mplayer-users mailing list Mplayer-users@lists.sourceforge.net http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mplayer-users
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