Hello Chris, Sunday, November 10, 2002, 2:38:28 AM, you wrote: CP> is there anything stopping you just doing an extremely simple sum to get CP> the bitrate?? CP> filesize = length * (video_bitrate + audio_bitrate) CP> hardly complicated. of course if you can't be arsed to even do that, try CP> my program... http://acidrip.thirtythreeandathird.net . And eitherway, CP> with 3-pass encoding mencoder DOES recommend a bitrate. ... hardly rocket science EXCEPT that the codecs appear to be VBR... and i've tried using the calculated settings and i'm getting much smaller files than it says (which isn't a bad thing and they look fine. so it's not a big issue for DVD rips) But i'd also like to use the program to encode motion graphics etc that i create for distro across the net. my video, so it's not going to be for CDs... so the estimations that mplayer gives me aren't neccesarily that useful. -- Best regards, Brendan mailto:reaper@post1.com ===== "It's very popular, at midnight, everyone dancing on street here" - Underworld...