Hi, Gabucino's interest over mplayer documentation decreased a lot, too lot, in last months. No wonder, I personally hate documentation writting/maintaining. Anyway I got it and updated as far as i can a week ago. I'ev fixed many things, but i'm sure there are still a lot. And I didn't touched all file, nor manpages, just documentation.html, bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, not grammar. Anyway he still refuses to make trivial changes, about new -lavcopts or the audio-only playback.... RTCW 'testing' is much more important? But it doesn't matter, he really did nice work on docs in the past. Anyway we're getting closer to the next release. My latest changes on init/uninit and codec selection seems to work fine (if you disagree - read bugreports.html) and solved most of strange bugs, so we have a step forward a bit. But back to the docs. It must be up-to-date, otherwise we should stop RTFMing users :) Gabu also refused to apply Diego's text-only patches, dunno why :( (he said it was procmail... he-he. he should ask Nick how to make /dev/null to be a folder;)) So, I'm searching for doc co-maintainer (or maybe new maintainer - it depends on Gabucino if he wants to continue maintaining docs or he chooses RTCW testing forever) Primary goals: - make and keep it up-to-date with mplayer options, features etc - extend it (especially FAQ) depending on -users mailings - review and keep up-to-date the AUTHORS section - fix HTML syntax bugs (unclosed <B> etc) - receive, verify and apply doc updates/patches from people - document the new input system (i think only Albeu can do that?) Long-term: - remove tables, they make source unreadable, and i doubt they are really required in the FAQ for example. - convert it to some better format, docbook or xhtml? it depends on maintainer - if he refuses docbook then it won't work... - reorganize it, remove redundant stuff, make it more searchable etc. Do NOT flame. I want to see patches and CVS commits. No discussions about pro/contra over doc file formats etc. Who will maintaining docs? - he will decide the format. Easy. Sorry for being rude, but the flame/discussions about docs were already too long, with no results. And the docs are still outdated and sometimes badly organized, not talking about html bugs sometimes appearing even in netscape. So, any volunteers? A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- Developer of MPlayer, the Movie Player for Linux - http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Arpi wrote:
So, I'm searching for doc co-maintainer (or maybe new maintainer - it depends on Gabucino if he wants to continue maintaining docs or he chooses RTCW testing forever)
I have a feeling some other people will bite and if they want it, they can have it. If no one else wants it, then I can help. BTW, for anyone considering the task, check out the GNOME Documentation Style Guide: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/index.html There are some great guidelines in there. Thanks... -- -Mike Melanson
Arpi didn't RTFM :
> Gabucino's interest over mplayer documentation decreased a lot, too lot, in
It seems you really have a bad day today. Please RTFcvslog finally before
stating that I "don't update hungarian manual with your changes" and such
things!!!
> Anyway I got it and updated as far as i can a week ago. I'ev fixed many
> things, but i'm sure there are still a lot.
Heh. Your changes weren't of that much value, as I can remember.
And now I rereaded them, 90% is just cosmetics, either mine and yours is fine.
And no matter what you state, I _DID_ update hungarian manual for it.
> And I didn't touched all file, nor manpages, just documentation.html,
> bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, not
> grammar.
I'm not dazzled, as your english grammar is (let's be straight) pretty bad.
I don't agree with some of your "technical" commits, as they usually made
that place harder to understand.
> Anyway he still refuses to make trivial changes, about new -lavcopts or
> the audio-only playback....
Do not lie. I never refused it. You refused to explain them, and - sorry -
I don't know enough about codecs to invent some explanation from my head.
> RTCW 'testing' is much more important?
Please spare the drama.
> But it doesn't matter, he really did nice work on docs in the past.
This is the first time you ever said that.
> Gabu also refused to apply Diego's text-only patches, dunno why :(
23:46 < Gab_RTCW> ezzel nem vagyok kint a szarbol
23:46 < Gab_RTCW> mailered szettorte
It means "I can't apply those because your mailer broke it". And I'm
not fixing your mailer's bugs. So don't lie. ("dunno why" ehh...)
> (he said it was procmail... he-he. he should ask Nick how to make /dev/null
> to be a folder;))
It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code.
> So, I'm searching for doc co-maintainer (or maybe new maintainer - it
> depends on Gabucino if he wants to continue maintaining docs or he chooses
> RTCW testing forever)
I do maintain DOCS, you'd know that if I didn't, rest assured of that.
But if you really think I don't.. But watch for these :
- I have a life
- the mplayerxp news was delayed because I wanted to understand the situation
better - as I explained it to you, pity you tend to forget..
- those -lavcopts were introduced yesterday - I didn't know I have to update
DOCS in 0day .. anyways you still didn't explain them to me.
- playing RTCW 2/3hrs a day is more entertaining than WTFMing for free,
and nobody ever reads it, and the project author doesn't even keeps
attention of my commits, then accuses me of not commiting.
> - extend it (especially FAQ) depending on -users mailings
This is really wanted. Patches are welcome.
Others were, are (and will be?) done by me.
> - convert it to some better format, docbook or xhtml?
> it depends on maintainer - if he refuses docbook then it won't work...
I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times.
Obviously this is not the day when I can talk sanely to you. :(
--
Gabucino
Hi,
> > Anyway I got it and updated as far as i can a week ago. I'ev fixed many
> > things, but i'm sure there are still a lot.
> Heh. Your changes weren't of that much value, as I can remember.
> And now I rereaded them, 90% is just cosmetics, either mine and yours is fin
> e.
i doubt it's 90%... just different viewpoint of what cosmetics is
> And no matter what you state, I _DID_ update hungarian manual for it.
cool
> > And I didn't touched all file, nor manpages, just documentation.html,
> > bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, not
> > grammar.
> I'm not dazzled, as your english grammar is (let's be straight) pretty bad.
i agree, feel free to correct...
> I don't agree with some of your "technical" commits, as they usually made
> that place harder to understand.
why? examples?
> > Anyway he still refuses to make trivial changes, about new -lavcopts or
> > the audio-only playback....
> Do not lie. I never refused it. You refused to explain them, and - sorry -
> I don't know enough about codecs to invent some explanation from my head.
Michael actually explained it well 2 days ago on the maillist, at the same
time of commiting the changes. I even pointed the mail to you.
> > But it doesn't matter, he really did nice work on docs in the past.
> This is the first time you ever said that.
And last
> > Gabu also refused to apply Diego's text-only patches, dunno why :(
> 23:46 < Gab_RTCW> ezzel nem vagyok kint a szarbol
> 23:46 < Gab_RTCW> mailered szettorte
>
> It means "I can't apply those because your mailer broke it". And I'm
I didn't said 'apply these' i just shown you which mails i'm talking about
> not fixing your mailer's bugs. So don't lie. ("dunno why" ehh...)
hey, you should search the original mail then
or let's use the archive...
or look up at /dev/null
> > (he said it was procmail... he-he. he should ask Nick how to make /dev/nul
> l
> > to be a folder;))
> It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code.
heh? it was NOT posted by Egger. it was by Diego. They aren't the same ppl.
or did you filtered From:.* to /dev/null ?
> > So, I'm searching for doc co-maintainer (or maybe new maintainer - it
> > depends on Gabucino if he wants to continue maintaining docs or he chooses
> > RTCW testing forever)
> I do maintain DOCS, you'd know that if I didn't, rest assured of that.
> But if you really think I don't.. But watch for these :
> - I have a life
in RTCW :)
> - the mplayerxp news was delayed because I wanted to understand the situation
> better - as I explained it to you, pity you tend to forget..
i didn't even mentioned news here... anyway what about the new features news?
it also took "years" to be out
> - those -lavcopts were introduced yesterday - I didn't know I have to update
> DOCS in 0day .. anyways you still didn't explain them to me.
you still didn't ask a single question. and the explanation is in the ML
> - playing RTCW 2/3hrs a day is more entertaining than WTFMing for free,
> and nobody ever reads it, and the project author doesn't even keeps
> attention of my commits, then accuses me of not commiting.
:)
> > - extend it (especially FAQ) depending on -users mailings
> This is really wanted. Patches are welcome.
some user sent a docs update patch few days ago to -users.
i've never seen it in cvs back.
> Others were, are (and will be?) done by me.
>
>
> > - convert it to some better format, docbook or xhtml?
> > it depends on maintainer - if he refuses docbook then it won't work...
> I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times.
Someone told you how to set font for docbook, STFML
> Obviously this is not the day when I can talk sanely to you. :(
I see
A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team
--
Developer of MPlayer, the Movie Player for Linux - http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu
Arpi didn't RTFM :
And now I rereaded them, 90% is just cosmetics, either mine and yours is fin i doubt it's 90%... just different viewpoint of what cosmetics is It is 90%. In doc maintaining, the viewpoint matters very much. The choice is YOURS, do you want me to do it, or do _you_ want to do it.. I don't know why my viewpoint was good for a years, until now.
And no matter what you state, I _DID_ update hungarian manual for it. cool Not cool, but it had to be done.
And I didn't touched all file, nor manpages, just documentation.html, bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, not grammar. I'm not dazzled, as your english grammar is (let's be straight) pretty bad. i agree, feel free to correct... If you agree, don't write a mail suggesting if you checked my grammar you'd have found much more bugs, and I'm Evil(tm) anyways.
I don't agree with some of your "technical" commits, as they usually made that place harder to understand. why? examples? -oldpp ?
Do not lie. I never refused it. You refused to explain them, and - sorry - I don't know enough about codecs to invent some explanation from my head. Michael actually explained it well 2 days ago on the maillist, at the same time of commiting the changes. I even pointed the mail to you. What? When? Just grepped for "vqmin" - a new option - but couldn't find anything!
But it doesn't matter, he really did nice work on docs in the past. This is the first time you ever said that. And last
Gabu also refused to apply Diego's text-only patches, dunno why :( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I didn't said 'apply these' i just shown you which mails i'm talking about So?
hey, you should search the original mail then or let's use the archive... Yeah, browsers surely don't break patches...
It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code. heh? it was NOT posted by Egger. it was by Diego. They aren't the same ppl. or did you filtered From:.* to /dev/null ? Filtered both.
- the mplayerxp news was delayed because I wanted to understand the situation better - as I explained it to you, pity you tend to forget.. i didn't even mentioned news here... But you told me every 5 minutes on IRC to do it. And I didn't want to write another WarpVision news entry again. Write it yourself, if you want it so much.
- those -lavcopts were introduced yesterday - I didn't know I have to update DOCS in 0day .. anyways you still didn't explain them to me. you still didn't ask a single question. and the explanation is in the ML I won't ask questions in a flame thread: it's dishonouring. The explanation is nowhere. And you still didn't explain them. You had 2-3 days to drop 3 lines on IRC...
- playing RTCW 2/3hrs a day is more entertaining than WTFMing for free, and nobody ever reads it, and the project author doesn't even keeps attention of my commits, then accuses me of not commiting. :) It's not funny. You'll know that, if you wanna be doxmaint.
- extend it (especially FAQ) depending on -users mailings This is really wanted. Patches are welcome. some user sent a docs update patch few days ago to -users. i've never seen it in cvs back. I've never seen such patch. Extending patches are always applied or saved for later processing.
I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times. Someone told you how to set font for docbook, STFML Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:16:17 +0100 From: Gabucino <gabucino@mplayer.dev.hu>
This is the mail in which I wrote about fonts, no replies here. -- Gabucino "I think the developers placed this bug intentionally, so the GUI won't run on specific systems. They are Debian-lovers, I see this from the docs." -- lama
Hi,
bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, no t grammar. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not dazzled, as your english grammar is (let's be straight) pretty b ad. i agree, feel free to correct... If you agree, don't write a mail suggesting if you checked my grammar you'd have found much more bugs, and I'm Evil(tm) anyways.
learn to read... i said 'technical side, not grammar." i don't feel myself good enough to review the big Gabucino's grammar :)
I don't agree with some of your "technical" commits, as they usually mad e that place harder to understand. why? examples? -oldpp ?
-oldpp is obsoleted and won't work with divx4 linux it work only with opendivx, but it's slower and bugger than -pp
Do not lie. I never refused it. You refused to explain them, and - sorry
I don't know enough about codecs to invent some explanation from my head . Michael actually explained it well 2 days ago on the maillist, at the same time of commiting the changes. I even pointed the mail to you. What? When? Just grepped for "vqmin" - a new option - but couldn't find anything! search vithout the 'v', so just 'qmin' and in the ffmpeg list, or cvslog, i don't remember which one ah in your case it will be at /dev/null, just after Diego Egger's mails...
Gabu also refused to apply Diego's text-only patches, dunno why :( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I didn't said 'apply these' i just shown you which mails i'm talking about So? Kosz, igy is eleg sos.
hey, you should search the original mail then or let's use the archive... Yeah, browsers surely don't break patches... you can download (or cat mphq:/var/lib/mailman/Archives/) mailbox containing mails on month basis and view with your favourite mailer i don't recommend mailer3 anyway :)
It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code. heh? it was NOT posted by Egger. it was by Diego. They aren't the same ppl . or did you filtered From:.* to /dev/null ? Filtered both. Nice. Why don't you filter my mails too?
- the mplayerxp news was delayed because I wanted to understand the sit uation better - as I explained it to you, pity you tend to forget.. i didn't even mentioned news here... But you told me every 5 minutes on IRC to do it. And I didn't want to write And you didn't do it in time.
another WarpVision news entry again. Write it yourself, if you want it so much. i'll next time... i'll do everything, just go and continue rtcw...
- those -lavcopts were introduced yesterday - I didn't know I have to u pdate DOCS in 0day .. anyways you still didn't explain them to me. you still didn't ask a single question. and the explanation is in the ML I won't ask questions in a flame thread: it's dishonouring. The explanation is nowhere. And you still didn't explain them. You had 2-3 days to drop 3 lines on IRC... you didn't asked a single question. i've pointed you the mail wehre it is explained on IRC. yes, it was just a single line, not 3 lines. you're right.
- playing RTCW 2/3hrs a day is more entertaining than WTFMing for free, and nobody ever reads it, and the project author doesn't even keeps attention of my commits, then accuses me of not commiting. :) It's not funny. You'll know that, if you wanna be doxmaint. If I had to test RTCW every day, then i don't want to be doxmaint :) Anywya I never said i want to be doxmaint. I just asked if someone wants to do doxmaintaining while you're busy with your life.
- extend it (especially FAQ) depending on -users mailings This is really wanted. Patches are welcome. some user sent a docs update patch few days ago to -users. i've never seen it in cvs back. I've never seen such patch. Extending patches are always applied or saved for later processing. check it in /dev/null...
r Haas Wernfried 2280 [MPlayer-users] the fine manual ,) Sat Mar 16 15:01:21 2002
I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times. Someone told you how to set font for docbook, STFML Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:16:17 +0100 From: Gabucino <gabucino@mplayer.dev.hu>
This is the mail in which I wrote about fonts, no replies here. do you want me to look it up for you. ok. you really should learn how to use the search function... ah. i forgot. it went to /dev/null too...
r Daniel Egger 3264 Re: Re: [MPlayer-dev-eng] [PATCH] DOCS/bugrepor Fri Mar 8 19:42:40 2002 ---------- With a DSSSL stylesheet you can change the way the output is translated to HTML and with CSS you can control the way the HTML is displayed. ---------- A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- Developer of MPlayer, the Movie Player for Linux - http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu
bugreports.html and video.html, and checked only by technical side, no t grammar. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you agree, don't write a mail suggesting if you checked my grammar you'd have found much more bugs, and I'm Evil(tm) anyways. learn to read... i said 'technical side, not grammar." You said "only technical side, not grammar". It has a certain scent in english,
Arpi didn't RTFM : that emphasizes the grammar is also wrong, but you didn't correct those bugs.
why? examples? -oldpp ? -oldpp is obsoleted and won't work with divx4 linux it work only with opendivx, but it's slower and bugger than -pp Uh-huh, now I got it.
Yeah, browsers surely don't break patches... you can download (or cat mphq:/var/lib/mailman/Archives/) mailbox containing mails on month basis and view with your favourite mailer Faszom. You tend to lose sense of reality, but now you totally lost it... :(
or did you filtered From:.* to /dev/null ? Filtered both. Nice. Why don't you filter my mails too? Because any psychoanalist pays millions for them.
But you told me every 5 minutes on IRC to do it. And I didn't want to write And you didn't do it in time. Heh.. Just what time are you talking about? If I wrote it at once as you told me, it would be useless flame. (I hope now it is not)
i'll next time... i'll do everything, just go and continue rtcw... Did your girlfriend dump you? Don't take me for a lousy user! Do NOT direct your anger on me, I can't stand such behaviour!
you didn't asked a single question. I remember last time I wanted to ask I couldn't send the question because you told me I'm lamer, the too high bitrate at the beginning of lavc mpeg4 is intentional. It _is_ a bug, you can read it on -cvslog, if you still can read.. So I went ideg.
i've pointed you the mail wehre it is explained on IRC. yes, it was just a single line, not 3 lines. you're right. Aha, I see it. But read it: just after you tell me where it is explained, you start demanding newsXP ... You know where to stick your impatience.
If I had to test RTCW every day, then i don't want to be doxmaint :) Anywya I never said i want to be doxmaint. I just asked if someone wants to do doxmaintaining while you're busy with your life. <sigh> ...
I've never seen such patch. Extending patches are always applied or saved for later processing. check it in /dev/null... r Haas Wernfried 2280 [MPlayer-users] the fine manual ,) Oh fuck.. I knew you mean this one. a, this is not a patch b, THIS MAIL WAS ALREADY SAVED for later (!) checking !! If there are deadlines, goddamn tell it! Otherwise go and code instead of picking me with sucker problems!
you really should learn how to use the search function... ---------- With a DSSSL stylesheet you can change the way the output is translated to HTML and with CSS you can control the way the HTML is displayed. ---------- ROTFL.. Do you think this is exact information?? No it isn't: where is the example on using CSS in SGML?? I don't need Egger-type hints, they don't help at all!
Get a grip on yourself. --($:~/mail)-- grep From: mplayer-cvslog | sort | uniq -c | sort | tail -6 19 From: Nick Kurshev <nick@mplayer.dev.hu> 23 From: Arpi <arpi@thot.banki.hu> 35 From: Zoltan Ponekker <pontscho@mplayer.dev.hu> 37 From: Alex Beregszaszi <alex@mplayer.dev.hu> 67 From: Winner of tha face compo <gabucino@mplayer.dev.hu> 126 From: Arpi of Ize <arpi@mplayer.dev.hu> If you still think I don't maintain documentation, I don't have anything else to say. (HINT: more people complain for example about GUI than DOCS...) Go out and hit some little children if you have too much energy - but not me. -- Gabucino
Am Die, 2002-03-19 um 15.14 schrieb Gabucino:
Arpi didn't RTFM :
you really should learn how to use the search function... ---------- With a DSSSL stylesheet you can change the way the output is translated to HTML and with CSS you can control the way the HTML is displayed. ---------- ROTFL.. Do you think this is exact information?? No it isn't: where is the example on using CSS in SGML?? I don't need Egger-type hints, they don't help at all! You first convert to html and then use css in the html files as far as I understood it. Btw. what about latex, it's pretty nice as far as what I've read and we can later sell it as book with no problems ;) - "MPlayer - The Ultimate Guide" by Gabucino, just 19,95$ -- Gabucino -- Best Regards, Atmos
- MPlayer Developer - http://mplayerhq.hu/ - ____________________________________________
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:09:07PM +0100, Felix Buenemann wrote:
Am Die, 2002-03-19 um 15.14 schrieb Gabucino:
Arpi didn't RTFM :
you really should learn how to use the search function... ---------- With a DSSSL stylesheet you can change the way the output is translated to HTML and with CSS you can control the way the HTML is displayed. ---------- ROTFL.. Do you think this is exact information?? No it isn't: where is the example on using CSS in SGML?? I don't need Egger-type hints, they don't help at all! You first convert to html and then use css in the html files as far as I understood it. Btw. what about latex, it's pretty nice as far as what I've read and we can later sell it as book with no problems ;) - "MPlayer - The Ultimate Guide" by Gabucino, just 19,95$
texinfo is the tex variant more suited to making documentation, since it can also be used to generate html, info files (which you use that horrid info program to browse), printed manuals, and lots of other stuff. rich
Am Die, 2002-03-19 um 17.09 schrieb Felix Buenemann:
ROTFL.. Do you think this is exact information?? No it isn't: where is the example on using CSS in SGML?? I don't need Egger-type hints, they don't help at all!
You first convert to html and then use css in the html files as far as I understood it.
Exactly.
Btw. what about latex, it's pretty nice as far as what I've read and we can later sell it as book with no problems ;) - "MPlayer - The Ultimate Guide" by Gabucino, just 19,95$
Well, you can convert DocBook to TeX as well and then compile it into ps or pdf. Wheter LaTeX itself is useful for maintaining the docs depends on the discipline of the writers (as with HTML) and how much structure such a document should have (as opposed to layout). -- Servus, Daniel
Am Die, 2002-03-19 um 15.14 schrieb Gabucino:
ROTFL.. Do you think this is exact information?? No it isn't: where is the example on using CSS in SGML?? I don't need Egger-type hints, they don't help at all!
Like you would say: RTFML. I'm pretty confident I posted a single liner CSS somewhere which showed how to do it, but for you: body { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; } in an external .css file will change the default font to sans-serif. Since all other tags inherit from body the complete document should show up in Helvetica or whatever. There's also the possibility to embed that directly into an HTML file but since you wanted to know how to control DocBook->HTML converted source.... -- Servus, Daniel
Am Die, 2002-03-19 um 01.35 schrieb Gabucino:
(he said it was procmail... he-he. he should ask Nick how to make /dev/null to be a folder;)) It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code.
I must have missed that part though my code or patches were not mentioned in Arpi's mail at all. Just curious: How did you notice the mails when they are filtered straight to /dev/null?
- convert it to some better format, docbook or xhtml? it depends on maintainer - if he refuses docbook then it won't work...
I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times.
You obviously are ignoring some facts here; you were told several times that the font the browser chooses is not dependent on having thousands of font texts in the HTML code. -- Servus, Daniel
It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code. Just curious: How did you notice the mails when they are filtered straight to /dev/null? Read my sentence again.
I told you I can do it. If you like to read documentation in Times. You obviously are ignoring some facts here; you were told several times that the font the browser chooses is not dependent on having thousands of font texts in the HTML code. Hmm?
-- Gabucino "I think the developers placed this bug intentionally, so the GUI won't run on specific systems. They are Debian-lovers, I see this from the docs." -- lama
Am Mit, 2002-03-20 um 18.39 schrieb Gabucino:
It was procmail as Egger didn't care when I said: spare the HTML code. Just curious: How did you notice the mails when they are filtered straight to /dev/null? Read my sentence again.
That doesn't change the meaning of it, but I take it you meant something different; my apologies...
You obviously are ignoring some facts here; you were told several times that the font the browser chooses is not dependent on having thousands of font texts in the HTML code. Hmm?
Hint: CSS. -- Servus, Daniel
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