[MPlayer-users] Mplayer Build Testing

Reimar Döffinger Reimar.Doeffinger at stud.uni-karlsruhe.de
Wed Oct 31 18:52:45 CET 2007

On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 05:11:41PM -0000, Phil Rhodes wrote:
> >> Too many of the responses to people with problems is "compile it in
> >> debug mode from version control head or we're not going to listen to
> >> you".
> >
> > I'm sure nobody said anything like that last part you made up.
> See, this is what gets blood boiling.
> You know that sort of thing has been said.
> I know that sort of thing has been said.
> So does everyone else.
> Fucking hell, the first time I heard something like that, MPLAYER ITSELF 
> told me. But because nobody has used those precise words, you reach for 
> pedantry in a transparent attempt to defend... well, something. The purity 
> of your list of experts, perhaps?

Probably the reason is that he thinks you used in your quote:

> "or we're not going to listen to you"

on purpose which is much, much more extreme than the MPlayer output:
> "- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.\n"\
> "  Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and\n"\
> "  disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.\n"

Or the IMO more common (of course not an exact quote either):
> "we can't help you unless you give us a gdb backtrace"

But this reminds me: there is the -crash-debug option which _might_
simplify the process of getting a backtrace, at least if/when I find a
way to make it automatically execute the "bt" command. Though that
feature is not much tested, and it won't help you get around compiling
with --enable-debug...

> If you're not going to do that you need to become a lot more tolerant of 
> user questions on what professes to be a user list.

What is a user? For an MPlayer user to profit from the list would need
to be able to use the command line and must be ready to invest some time
and learn some new things. An ffmpeg user on ffmpeg-user quite often
would be expected to know C.
But if you care: what annoys me about some of your mails is that they
seem to shout "I don't want to do any work, you should fix it for me!".
Everyone with some experience in email communications knows that first
impressions from emails are unlikely to be right, but probably few can
avoid reacting according to those impressions :-).

Reimar Döffinger
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