[MPlayer-dev-eng] uau - svn account removal

Michael Niedermayer michaelni at gmx.at
Tue Feb 27 20:51:30 CET 2007


On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 05:46:25PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> As always, Ivan, you do contribute nothing to resolve a dispute but just
> pour more gasoline on the flames...

maybe but ivan has a right to say what he thinks, even if that displeases
some ...

> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:07:37PM +0200, Ivan Kalvachev wrote:
> > 2007/2/27, Attila Kinali <attila at kinali.ch>:
> > >
> > >I created quite a mess here which i should not have
> > >done. And i want to appologize to everyone, especialy to uau
> > >for this.
> > >
> > >IMHO, because this vote should have never been started
> > >and because i think that Dominiks patches fix the issue
> > >at hand i thought that i should cancel the whole voting
> > >thing and let it be. But unfortunately, even this wouldnt
> > >be a clean way out of it as some people expect that i publish
> > >the votes i collected and someone is even threatening with leaving
> > >the project.
> > >
> > >Well, it's my fault and i have to clean up somehow.
> > >
> > >For the results, i counted 11 votes (from Oded, Dominik, Ivo, Michael,
> > >Nico, Guillaume, Rich, Luca, Roberto, Compn and Ivan) with:
> > >
> > >1 Yes
> > >4 No
> > >6 Conditional No
> > >
> > >Which means that uau's account should be kept under the conditon
> > >that the svn commits are fixed up.
> > 
> > If you read again you'll see that at least 4 of the conditional votes
> > (dalias,  poirierg, lu_zero, michaelni) are saying that  uau must
> > revert it's work until 2007 Feb 27 00:00 +0000. That date have passed
> > so the condition failed and should be counted as YES. I'm sure other
> > conditional votes and even some of the NOes (rxt, nicodvb, Rathann)
> > include similar requirement.
> If you read the voting procedure closely you will see that the votes
> should have been sent to root at .  If just those votes were counted, Uoti
> would remain a committer, case closed.  If you choose to insist on
> formalities, at least use the whole set and not just the deadline but
> not the mode of voting.

where can i vote for you guys to join the european commission? you really
would fit in well, ignoring half the votes as they where not sent to the
correct list or ignore the deadline AND who commits the fixes
that is diego you are as selective as ivan is, and i belive this is extreemly

you can call politicans corrupted, but truth is many just act against
democratic majority because they think its better for everyone and democracy
is wrong, what you do here is identical

you dont start a vote and then when the results dont please you you just
ignore half, do you want me to do this too for other votes like about
policy? everyone who didnt clearly say YES or NO is ignored? even if his
vote is crystal clear from his message or more precissely i ignore or
not ignore half of the votes depending on what is closer to what i want?

> > >As Dominik is already working on this we can for the moment
> > >refrain from disabling uau's account IMHO. I think that uau
> > >learned something from this and thus will not repeat the same
> > >mistakes again.... And neither will I.
> > 
> > I'm afraid you are completely missing the point, as does Diego.
> > It's not (only) about the commit or the history, it's about uau
> > refusing to fix his own mess.
> You are completely missing the point of Attila's mail.  He has deep
> regrets about having kicked off this voting procedure in the first
> place.

everyone has regrets about kicking off a voting after the results dont
match what (s)he wanted, we all wanted uau to fix the code he didnt ...
i say close his account he can send patches until he is willing to
work in a team and listen to others


> > There is one more issue. I just asked Diego if FFmpeg and MPlayer svn
> > developers lists are separated and he said they are not separated in
> > the moment but they could be.
> > I'm sure Michael have the authority as FFmpeg Project Leader to
> > request keeping uau away from ffmpeg svn.

i already requested it several days ago (yes directly to root at mphq), as 
you see root doesnt care

> This is a complete non-issue since Uoti does not commit to FFmpeg.

diego you WILL at ONCE remove uau from the list of people who can commit
to ffmpeg this is the last time i request this
i will after writing this mail start searching for a new svn server for 
ffmpeg and will stop _AFTER_ you confirm that
1. I as ffmpeg maintainer have full authority about who has svn write access
   to ffmpeg, that is if i say close someones account you do without any
   idiotic vote
2. uau does not have svn write access to ffmpeg anymore

even on sourceforge the project admin was not under the mercy of some
wanna be god when it came to giveing or taking away svn write access

Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB

No human being will ever know the Truth, for even if they happen to say it
by chance, they would not even known they had done so. -- Xenophanes
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