[MPlayer-dev-eng] to michael

[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Thursday, 25 May 2006 at 14:42, Reimar Döffinger wrote:
> Hi,
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:59:11PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > Apologies to everyone for this off topic thread, this is my last reply.
> 
> I agree this discussion should not exist, but I can't hold back comment
> on a few statements that do not make sense to me...

:)

> > > and as "dynamic ip" (which also results in wrongful denial of service).
> > 
> > I'm repeating myself, but SORBS isn't denying service to anyone.
> > Dynamic/generic DNS IP ranges are known to be infested with spam-spewing
> > zombies. That's why they should be pre-emptively listed. It's up to
> > the ISP to label them correctly in the DNS if there is a mail server
> > there.
> 
> No, if they are SPAM-spewing zombies they should be blocked from the
> internet by their ISP instead of half-blacklisting them for email while
> letting them continue to spread viruses, participate in DDOS attacks etc. pp.

In an ideal world, this is exactly what should happen. Unfortunately, ISPs
rarely implement such measures, creatng the need to maintain our own blocklists
or use someone else's.

> > > As for extortion, requiring a $50 "donation" to remove yourself from a
> > > being listed as a spammer (and the resulting damages due to your
> > 
> > It's not extortion. They do not profit from it. And if you sent spam,
> > why shouldn't you atone for it?
> 
> This is what makes no sense at all. Either they want to fight spam, then
> why allow spammers to unblacklist themselves, no matter what the fee?
> To me, the conclusion is that they fully expect that "donation" to get
> mostly from non-spammers...

I can't speak for SORBS and I don't agree with that donation idea either,
but I guess it's aimed at one-time spammers who simply didn't know that
spamming is bad.

> Regardless of their intentions, if they didn't think that this will give
> them a bad name, they must be stupid beyond imagination. As usual,
> impression is more important than facts.

I'm sure they were/are aware of the consequences.

Regards,
R.

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