[FFmpeg-user] A comment about this community (was: RE: sudo:ffmpeg: command not found)

[Phil Rhodes]

 Hi Marc
I can only reiterate the regrets you've already received and assure you it was ever thus and it's not your fault.
For the benefit of any new people or anyone who reads this thread in future, ffmpeg is for every practical purpose a Linux-community project. The Linux community is notorious for its incredible intolerance and inexcusable rudeness. It is common, even normal, on this mailing list. I have been hugely dismayed by this situation for many years but I'm not convinced there's much that can be done about it; it happens with the tacit approval, even the encouragement, of the people who run the project and there is no mechanism to correct it. Look at Linus Torvalds' own reputation; that's the role model. They think that's good. They actually believe it's appropriate professional behaviour; that's the kind of people you're dealing with.
As the guy in the video very accurately says, it drives away talented people, hinders adoption, and in general holds back capable and useful software like ffmpeg. Despite the clear capability of the people who write the code, there have been and remain huge gaps in what it can do because they will not accept outside advice and comments or suggestions are seen as attacks. The level of ego and narcissism on display is mind-boggling.

Some of it is possibly due to a language barrier and cultural differences but it's been a hell of a long time with threads like this popping up every so often in an attempt to correct things. They aren't interested. They like it this way. Sadly, there's not much you can do but put up with it.
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    On Sunday, 1 November 2020, 15:07:19 GMT, Marc Erickson <marcerickson at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 https://youtu.be/Q_7tuL0kbCE?t=77 

People are stupid.  Each person is stupid in their own way.  I'm somewhat stupid about Linux and I'm very stupid about how to make money in the stock market.  Other people might be smart about the stock market and Linux - and be stupid about music and Windows, two subjects that I know a lot about.  

If people get cursed for their stupidity, that usually doesn't encourage them to educate themselves about the matter they're stupid about.  Toxic replies can make people abandon the Linux community completely.  That's what I did the last time I was subjected to similar behaviour.

The world needs more kindness and love, not toxicity.  It gets enough toxicity from us when we're short of sleep, in a bad mood, under stress, etc.  Please be kinder to each other.


All the best,
Marc Erickson

-----Original Message-----
From: ffmpeg-user [mailto:ffmpeg-user-bounces at ffmpeg.org] On Behalf Of Matt Zagrabelny via ffmpeg-user
Sent: October 29, 2020 1:02 PM
To: FFmpeg user questions <ffmpeg-user at ffmpeg.org>
Cc: Matt Zagrabelny <mzagrabe at d.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] sudo: ffmpeg: command not found

Reindl,

I'm subscribed to mailing lists that you regularly post to (ffmpeg-user & systemd-devel).

The manner (negative and condescending) in which you communicate isn't helpful to those you reply to and it isn't helpful to those who read your emails.

Please reconsider how you interact with the rest of the communities you are a part of.

Cordially,

-m

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 2:52 PM Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Am 29.10.20 um 20:24 schrieb Carl Zwanzig:
> > On 10/29/2020 12:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >> * everybody is born to read "ERROR" at the end of configure
> > Un, no they're not, nor to understand what it means and *whether* 
> > it's relevant.
>
> what exactly is hard to understand in teh word "error"?
>
> >> * everybody is born to realize that "Try again from the top, git 
> >> clone a fresh working copy" is idiotic -
> > No they're not, and yet we're always telling people to pull the 
> > latest and try that....Hmm, pick one.
>
> yeah, another idiotic bullshit here, not read and not understand but 
> shout "pull the latest" while a trained monkey could realize that 
> "--enable-gnutls" and "gnutls not found" belong together
>
> the only sane advive would have been "remobe any --enable you don't 
> understand and in doubt replace it with --disable/--without"
>
> if you are missing something later you can always enable whatever but 
> starting with "--enable everything" is dumb, no matter what
>
> >> * the error message was even clear
> > If you actually understand it.
>
> understand the word "error" is a good begin
>
> >> * using "sudo" in front of everything is idiotic and not relevant 
> >> to ffmpeg,
> > Idiotic? maybe not. Unwise and unnecessary, probably.
>
> it's idiotic type "sudo" and if it#s only because you have more to 
> type
>
> > Face it, Reindl, no one is as smart as you or has as much insight or 
> > experience as you do and they never will. You can either be a help 
> > people learn or you can be an ass. All of your emails suggest the latter.
> >
> > Heck, _you_ might even learn something in the process
>
> i learned that this world is lost
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