[FFmpeg-user] Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg

[miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr]

On 2014-04-21 22:18, miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
> Hello FFmpeg people and users!
> (and Hello Gentoo people, indirectly!)
> 
> While I heavy-heartedly, since a few hours ago, abandoned all my work 
> in
> progress because it was programmatically, IMO, that is via portage
> arrangements, purposefully, knowingly (but indirectly, not on me 
> personally, as
> programs do), interrupted. Explanation follows later.
> 
> I am reinstalling Gentoo, which is explained here (currently the link 
> is
> perfectly extant, but that doesn't, with some mods in Gentoo (Gentoo 
> people,
> you are getting a copy of this email too, you too vow transparency, I 
> can't be
> wrong about that), [but that doesn't, with some mods in Gentoo] mean 
> that it
> will remain, and I can assure you that I respect what I/others write, 
> as
> documents, so it won't be my fault in case in the future it isn't 
> there, sorry
> for having to provide these caveats)...
> 
> I am reinstalling Gentoo, all (and the links pointed to) is (hopefully 
> also at
> later time) here:
> Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html
> 
> ...And in the links pointed from there, all painstakingly checked 
> before
> submitting them, local and external.
> 
> I am writing this to the list for reasons of being as user, victim of 
> a few
> cunning attempts to be almost forced into using libav instead of real 
> ffmpeg.
> 
> I notice only now that FFmpeg hosts a mailing list for libav (if my
> understanding is correct that that's the library containing avconv 
> program, a
> fork of ffmpeg), and I actually wish that the compromise worked 
> between the
> FFmpeg team and the Avconv team.
> 
> However, I'm not writing this to Avconv team. They're unnecessarily 
> spending my
> time, as they already were a year ago when I installed Debian for the 
> first
> time on another box, and when I found that ffmpeg was deprecated and 
> that I had
> to use avconv... I want to live without them, even though I wish them 
> peace and
> prosperity, but not in my yard, and so I don't really want to converse 
> with
> them. They cost me time, as generally user, who they try to impose 
> their
> programs on, again and again...
> 
> I believe you are familiar with these issues, such as in Debian, where 
> ffmpeg
> is virtually banned. Let me see if there were public discussions on 
> the issue
> of Debian and the ffmpeg ban from it (other than from Christan 
> Marillat's
> deb-multimedia.org , but he was somewhat almost sidelined, and 
> harassed by
> Zacchiroli the then leader in Debian -- I'm not an insieder, the 
> information
> was from different places on the Internet, publically accessible)...
> 
> But let me see if there were public discussions on the issue of Debian 
> and the
> ffmpeg ban... on...
> 
> (Just I don't want to use the Surveillance Engine itself, directly,
> thanks a lot!)
> 
> literal input into ddg,gg:
> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/ Debian avconv
> 
> only a few people asking questions to ffmpeg people about avconv and 
> turned
> away...
> 
> literal input into startpage,com:
> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/ Debian avconv
> 
> basically the same, worth pointing out this reply by Eugene Hoyos:
> 
> http://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2012-December/012223.html
> "> avconv version v9_beta2-501-g6d5b009
> 
> This application is known to contain several hundred bugs
> not present in FFmpeg, some of them security relevant,
> please understand that we therefore cannot support it."
> 
> But not anything openly telling for the public.
> 
> So I am left to conclude for myself.
> 
> I want to show my problem openly, on the Gentoo Forums, but I was 
> wrongly
> banned from the Forums in one occasion, and so I am not in the clear 
> that what
> I want to publically enquire about and suggest and plead, yes, 
> actually plead
> to the Gentoo Developers, yes, the top Gentoo brass actually...
> 
> ...So I am not in the clear that what I want to publically enquire and 
> plead
> about to Gentoo people, would remain in the open, and this time I 
> don't want to
> lose my work, just because I may think differently, such as I think 
> and express
> very openly on NSA spying that is getting a strong hold in GNU/Linux 
> through
> SELinux, while the honest and very reliable Grsecurity/Pax are being 
> sidewayed
> (and even so through censorship).
> 
> So this time I don't want to write and lose my work.
> 
> So my question is, to Gentoo Admins and Moderators and Developers, can 
> I openly
> ask honest questions on Gentoo Forums about the issue that I broached 
> here, and
> do you mind about me calling for witnesses in among the FFmpeg Admins,
> Moderators and Developers, as well as subscribers?
> 
> And can you, FFmpeg team, allow me to openly voice my concern that I 
> touched
> upon here?
> 
> I'm writing in a little hurry, I'm long overdue doing other things, 
> basically
> using my Gentoo, and not still building it (and pls. notice that the 
> hindrance
> in question has interfered even with my building that I should be 
> finishing
> doing), so pls.  forgive syntax and other typoes and errors.
> 
> Pls. allow this in the open, it is probably best for this message to 
> be on the
> FFmpeg Users Mailing list and publically in the archives as all emails 
> get to
> be, and after getting a reply from Gentoo Admins, hopefully positive, 
> opening a
> topic on Gentoo Forums and giving my entire explanation, with very 
> clear
> arguments.
> 
> I'm after peaceful solutions, not warrring, but absolutely against 
> arrogance in
> imposing programs on users,
> 
> Miroslav Rovis
> Zagreb, Croatia
> www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
> 
> Post Scriptum: On a final note, I am not certain who among the Gentoo 
> team to
> contact about this, so it has to be a public link on the 
> forums.gentoo.org to
> start with, as soon as my email shows in the FFmpeg archives. When I 
> think
> carefully, that is the sole way that I can do it, I have no time for 
> asking and
> waiting, and asking and waiting, as sometimes happens with some of the 
> Gentoo
> people. Once the link is public, there is no need repeating. Much 
> easier.
> 
> I will, however, send this copy straight to the main Admin of Gentoo 
> Forums, at
> the same time as I will send this letter to the FFmpeg Users list, so 
> that
> entire text holds completely fair and true.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> ffmpeg-user at ffmpeg.org
> http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user

I did, first thing, send the entire of the above text to the main Admin 
of the Gentoo Forums.

And, the title the same, on Gentoo:
Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7539612.html
(pls. hurriedly take notice that the link is alive right now, else I 
won't have witnesses that it was alive; happened, happened, it did 
happened to me on Gentoo Forums)
...There is a little longer to wait now:

Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7539612.html

Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
www.CroatiaFidelis.hr