[FFmpeg-devel] Discussion about mails from 9 years ago Was: [PATCH 1/2] doc/community: Add a standard set of rules for software development mailing lists

[James Almer]

On 11/24/2024 6:24 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 06:02:55PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>> On 11/24/2024 5:43 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 04:11:42PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>>>> On 11/24/2024 4:09 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>>> Now reality is, Paul (the 2nd most active developer of all time) was bullied
>>>>> out of FFmpeg. In private mail he spoke about being treated like a slave.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?? By whom?
>>>
>>> by the community, by us all
>>>
>>> maybe "bullied" is a badly choosen word here, but the way i understand it, is paul
>>> dislike having to deal with "disturbing" reviews
>>
>> I think only Nicolas was against his patches in general, sometimes for a
>> fair reason, others probably not so much. I at least helped him every time i
>> could.
>>
>> There has to be another reason for him to leave like he did.
> 
> Iam fairly sure, if we would have left him change whatever he wants in his
> code and gave him final authority there that he would not have left.

But he could do that. He did it all the time, and rarely got opposition 
since it was almost always for filters he wrote and maintained.

> 
> BUT i do not know that
> 
> He also pushed patches to his stuff bypassing the mailing list and review
> process. It introduced a bug or 2 and I think i pointed that out. I dont
> remember at all how i worded that.
> 
> And there was teh conflicts where he pointed to bugs but refused to provide
> samples or details, making fixing them often impossible. While he caused
> this it lead to further friction. This really feels like a failure of mutual
> understanding, noone benefitted from this

Not adding test was a problem, yes. Such a trivial thing to do for most 
filters and he'd still refuse.

> 
> Also teh CC was re-elected at the time of him leaving IIRC. He may have preceived
> that a ban or harsh actions against him where imminent from the new CC.
> Thing is that nothing like that was imminent.

He got a temp ban (like a week?) after several warnings for being too 
aggressive in his replies. I don't know why he was aggressive to begin 
with, and i even asked him to stop before anything was done.

> 
> I dont know how to undo the decissions from the past. But i want to undo
> what led to paul leaving


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