[FFmpeg-devel] Discussion about mails from 9 years ago Was: [PATCH 1/2] doc/community: Add a standard set of rules for software development mailing lists

[Michael Niedermayer]

Hi

On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 07:33:57PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, 19:09 Michael Niedermayer, <michael at niedermayer.cc>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Kieran
> >
> > I think this is off topic for this thread, but i will reply with adjusted
> > Subject and as a new thread
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 02:58:29PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:23 PM Michael Niedermayer
> > [...]
> > > "In the email at the URL you provided
> > > (https://ffmpeg.org//pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2015-July/176489.html),
> > > Michael Niedermayer states:
> > >
> > > Root admin roles:
> > > I will keep the server root admin role until there is an agreement who
> > > should have it that is acceptable for the ffmpeg and libav
> > > communities.
> > > This confirms that Michael Niedermayer agrees to give root access of
> > > the FFmpeg project to whomever both the FFmpeg and Libav communities
> > > agree should have it."
> >
> > This is a very long time ago. And at the time i believed everyone would
> > join and work together and that all hostilities where over.
> > Yes i guess i was naive. (Or maybe i was thinking something else, its
> > 9 years ago, who knows)
> >
> > Now reality is, Paul (the 2nd most active developer of all time) was
> > bullied
> > out of FFmpeg. In private mail he spoke about being treated like a slave.
> >
> > And in the last 3 weeks, alot of hostilities have hit me, so i kind of
> > feel a little like Paul maybe felt.
> >
> 
> One of the reasons Paul left was because you tried to ram SDR into this
> project in spite of huge objections from the community.

Paul was against SDR and SDR was never included into FFmpeg.

But the main person who was against SDR was you. And i thus tried to
talk with you about this. You refused to talk with me and pointed to
the community.

The community, that happily talked with me had largely no idea why
SDR was bad they just screamed "foul" because you did. Thats how i preceived it


> There are other
> areas like sonic and libpostproc where he is unhappy with your actions.

I intended to work on sonic but did not had the time yet

And libpostproc, i intended to split out as a STF project and maintain outside.
But people said 5k$ is too much. So 5k will be donated and libpostproc stays
in FFmpeg.
I dont know. But it seems the people are fighting the problem and the solution
at the same time.


> 
> Yet again you don't have the right to hold this project to ransom based on
> your whims. If anything you doing this proves that you shouldn't be de
> facto leader.

You want me to return as leader and talk with a few aggressive people from
the ML ? And no i would not ban anyone if they stop.
But if i was leader these annoying debates would have stoped 1 day after
their start.

thx

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Many things microsoft did are stupid, but not doing something just because
microsoft did it is even more stupid. If everything ms did were stupid they
would be bankrupt already.
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