[FFmpeg-devel] [REQUEST] Remove me from GA

[Vittorio Giovara]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 1:13 PM Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>
wrote:

> > > Note, for cases like STF the community must speak up at the point
> before
> > > contracts are signed. because after that SPI/STF/Developers are bound
> > > by the contract and payment has to occur in exchange for the work.
> > >
> >
> > Is this why amounts were set 1h before submission?
>
> Which amounts ?
>
> But first let me explain STF 2024.
> 1. There was a minimum fo 150k € that was required for submitting a
> propsal to STF 2024.
> 2. The Developer intending to do the "Cleanup HEVC Decoder" was unable to
> participate (i dont remember why)
>
> So after this, we where short of the needed 150k and we needed to fill
> this up with something. I tried finding people that would add tasks, i
> talked
> with anton for example. So some tasks and amounts where set on the public
> wiki probably quite late. But i dont think it was 1h before submission
>

This is _at best_ gaslighting, and dealing with fake news is not my cup of
tea.


> > 3. the amount to be paid for the projects were unilaterally decided by an
> > unknown entity
>
> The amounts paid where also on a public wiki page
>

And set 1h before submission.
Not very transparent if you ask me


> > In short, somebody acted in the shadows and even now keeps acting,
> ignoring
> > the community requests for having due process and some transparency.
>
> many entities act in the shadows, for example fflabs doesnt publically
> announce what new contracts it got this week ...
>
> about people, and this specific case, the way i understand it, the very
> offensive, accusationary, inflamatory and slandering tone we have on the
> mailing list. Is incompatible with people.
> And so they send some private mails but delay announcing it on the mailing
> list as they do not want to get drawn into these threads.
>
> In an ideal world, the CC would be functioning and people writing such
> mails would have been somehow turned into something nicer.
>

It's not the job of the CC to make people "nice". The job of the CC is to
ensure that the CoC is respected and that swift punishment is enacted if
violations are found. The people affected have many choices in front of
them, becoming nicer is one of them, but it's not for the CC to enforce
that.

Or the more childish reply, everyone be nice and treat people like you would
> want to be treated  / treat him like a human being not like a criminal.
>
> If 3 or 4 people accuse and finger point at thilo all the time, yeah then
> he will avoid you. And you wont know who he is talking with about funding
> FFmpeg.
>

But I thought discussing it on the mailing list was good!
If asking for accountability is met with ignoring the transparency
requests, then it means there is no way to hold anyone accountable for
anything!
You see how broken this way of thinking is?


> This is not about the community. Iam sure thilo never intended to hide
> anything from the community. It is about a small set of very aggressive
> people
>

???? I think the aggressive people are the ones that were reported to the
CC and weren't taken care of.
You have your priorities all upside down!


> And, i dont enjoy being involved in these threads either. Iam just differnt
> where thilo just doesnt reply or doesnt post. I try to resolve things by
> replying. Not that i enjoy it or think these accusatory threads should
> exist.
>

Maybe fix the problems with the community? Ban people as needed, respect
the CC and TC and empower them, instead of dismantling them, ensure
transparency and process for representing ffmpeg at external events,
mordernize your infrastructure, and attract new blood.
These are all things that will help, these walls of text will serve
nothing, if not discouraging more people to join.


> > > > also think there is something weird going on with our booths which
> Thilo
> > > > keeps registering wihtout telling the community, and GPAC (NAB is
> already
> > > > registered BTW, with noone being told).
> > >
> > > Thilo managed booths since many years and these are publically
> announced.
> > > In case of "next NAB" i belive Thilo has not been able to find a
> sponsor
> > > yet. I suspect thats why it was not announced
> > >
> >
> > That's not how booth management works, you need to pay the venue to
> > register for the space.
>
> AFAIK thilo payed using his own money but either theres a 2nd part that
> needs
> money he lacks or something like that, i dont know exactly.
>

I don't care about money, or Thilo, or for the booth, or the trade show, I
care about the process for using the ffmpeg name at a public event.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here, but I hope you're able to see that
the vast majority of the community is signaling a problem in various shapes
and form, and you're doing all that is in your power to keep things as they
are, stifling any prospect of change. You're better than this, I believe in
you Micheal :)
-- 
Vittorio