[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Revert "Remove battleforthenet widget"

Kieran Kunhya kieran618 at googlemail.com
Mon Mar 5 03:18:32 EET 2018

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 at 22:59 Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>

> On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 09:45:03AM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Compn <tempn at mi.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 06:59:45 -0500, "Ronald S. Bultje"
> > > <rsbultje at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Again, please: no advertising, no politics. It was fun while it
> lasted
> > > but
> > > > it's turning into something semi-permanent now, I really have
> significant
> > > > issues with this.
> > >
> > > this isnt advertising.
> > >
> > > what is your significant issue with the politics?
> >
> >
> > I'm so sick of everything being about politics, everything being
> > politicized, everything being presented about the end of the world, and
> > everything being pushed in my face and everyone being forced to
> > continuously pay attention, have an opinion and to care.
> >
> > Because it's just not true. It's just a spin. Sure, some things are
> > important. But the end of the world? Hardly. To put our reputation as a
> > prime, pristine, independent and unpartisan collection of multimedia
> tools
> > and experts on the line for an unlikely and minor moment of partisan gain
> > in a single country. Really? Why? I just don't get it.
> >
> > If you want to play politics, join a political movement or party, attend
> or
> > organize rallies, run for local, state or federal office, create a
> > politically motivated youtube channel or facebook group. But don't use
> our
> > website.
> >
> > My issue is this: this advertising turns FFmpeg into a political
> movement.
> > But I don't want FFmpeg to be a political movement, or to be political at
> > all. I would like FFmpeg to be an opensource (or free software) project
> > where people with various interests in multimedia can come together -
> > regardless of background - and create cool technical innovations.
> After reading todays IRC backlog, i think i understand your position.
> And i agree with you that FFmpeg should not take sides in politics.
> Where i disagree is not that. I understand the disadvnatges here and
> i understood them long before.
> First lets try to investigate if this actually is a issue with a side
> that is against it. Because IIRC noone expressed opposition to net
> neutrality here or in fact in any other technical environment that i
> read except as "devils advocate".
> If i search for net neutrality poll 2018 on google and pick
> the 1st and 2nd links
> http://variety.com/2018/politics/news/net-neutrality-fcc-democrats-1202711864/
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/12/this-poll-gave-americans-a-detailed-case-for-and-against-the-fccs-net-neutrality-plan-the-reaction-among-republicans-was-striking/
> The first claims 72% of people claiming to understand net neutrality are
> in favor of it
> The second claims 83 percent of Americans do not approve of the FCC
> proposal. Just 16 percent said they approved.
> and "About one in five Republicans said they were in favor of the FCC's
> proposal."
> But the main reason why iam writing this mail is that the whole discussion
> seems to have missed a important point so far and that is
> By doing nothing at all, we take a political position as well.
> And its one that least represents us.
> The apolitical thing to do would be to write a apolitical news entry that
> informs our users about the facts, risks and arguments around net
> neutrality
> in relation to FFmpeg and multimedia.
> We also would tell our users if FFmpeg would become 5% slower or faster.
> We similarly should tell them about the use of FFmpeg in relation to
> network
> transmission in the future potentially costing x% more
> You want FFmpeg not to harm itself by taking side in politcal debate.
> I agree with this, it makes sense
> But i do not want us to be afraid to inform our users about things that
> could make their use of our tools more expensive or slower.
> My oppinion is that a news article should be written that everyone here
> is happy with. And that helps users better understand what effects
> net neutrality and its removial could have on them and multimedia and
> FFmpeg.
> That way they can better make an educated decission on what position to
> take
> if any. Or if they dont care they can just ignore the article, neither side
> would feel offended. And we would do the morally correct thing to inform
> our users about something that may affect their use of our software.
> Thanks
> [...]

Ladies and Gentleman I present you exhibit A, Michael continues to argue so
that people get bored of replying and he gets his way.
This has never ever ever happened in the history of FFmpeg.


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