[FFmpeg-devel] MPlayer changes discussed on FFmpeg mailing lists

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 09:40:19PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 04:40:45PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 01:23:36PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 01:33:06AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 06:37:54PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > Recent events make me think a general statement is in order.
> > > > > 
> > > > > FFmpeg and MPlayer have always been closely related and many devs are
> > > > > shared even though the relationship is no longer quite as close as it
> > > > > used to be.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Some of the FFmpeg committers are MPlayer committers as well.  However,
> > > > > the FFmpeg mailing lists are not the MPlayer mailing lists.  MPlayer
> > > > > changes *must* be discussed on the MPlayer mailing lists before being
> > > > > executed.  Relying on MPlayer developers to follow FFmpeg mailing lists
> > > > > in order to be notified about changes to MPlayer is unacceptable.  It
> > > > > also does not work in practice as we just witnessed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also note that such behavior is a clear violation of MPlayer project
> > > > > policy (?5, ?9, ?12).  In the past I have been direly criticized for
> > > > > not closing accounts due to perceived policy changes.  Please avoid
> > > > > putting me in a situation where my only option is closing accounts.
> > > > 
> > > > Please accept my appology in the name of all people involved in this
> > > > 
> > > > We should have CC-ed mplayer-dev, noone did.
> > > > I repeat my and carls offer to revert the change, it is no major problem at all
> > > > to keep the tabs in libmpcodecs and keep or remove them from
> > > > libavfilter/libmpcodecs independantly, if the mplayer developers prefer this.
> > > > 
> > > > Also as you are making a general statement about the policy, let me make one
> > > > too. what you say that "my only option is closing accounts"
> > > > really you can "send a mail", "call us on the phone, hell you have my and i bet
> > > > carls number", closing accounts is the thing that is done when other options
> > > > fail.
> > > 
> > > Funny that you never got that memo yourself.  To this day, you have not
> > > initiated a single phone call yourself, not even an IRC chat.  Surely
> > 
> > Thats quite untrue, i very definitly called attila a not that long while ago
> > That said iam neither fan of phone calls nor irc. Which is why i use email
> > instead of these other methods of communication when possible.
> 
> Yes, true, you have initiated a single phone call in more or less all
> your life.  No further comment.
> 

> > > Also funny that you don't remember how many times I picked up the phone
> > > or got into private conversations with clashing parties in order to
> > > defuse conflicts.
> > 
> > I remember you fusing and detonating the uoti conflict with your phone calls
> > and in the process made the mplayer project look really bad for ignoring a
> > 2/3 majority in a vote.
> > Not to mention there where people that where quite upset about you using phone
> > calls after a vote that did not pass like you thought it would have been better
> 
> You continue telling your twisted version of the story.  I mediated a
> resolution of the problems between Reimar and Uoti and later I mediated
> a compromise that *you* agreed to explicitly.

I agreed to give him a second chance, not to give him infinitely many


> Otherwise MPlayer would
> have been forked.

uoti forked it anyway


> Now you pretend you never agreed and keep accusing
> me.  Give it a break already, it was your compromise as well, you're
> an adult, don't give me the responsibility for your actions.  If you
> feel you made a mistake, fine, but don't blame me for your mistakes,
> you made them of your own volition.

yes i made a mistake


> 
> And please close this neverending topic already, it will not go anywhere,
> ever.

why do you keep arguing about it then, if you want it closed?


> 
> > Also even at the risk that you dont like it, i must point out that at the least
> > this commit cannot have been a genuine surprise to you as i did send you a mail
> > days before it in which i requested the tab check script to be disabled for the
> > involved directories in ffmpeg. Ive send it long before any consensus about if
> > such changes would be needed at all because i did not expect you to make this
> > change quickly if at all.
> > After seeing that email you must have realized we would remove the tabs
> > before commit somewhere instead of stoping development if you would not react.
> 
> False:
> 
> email date:
> 
>   Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:08:35 +0100
>   From: Michael Niedermayer <michaelni at gmx.at>
>   To: Diego Biurrun <diego at biurrun.de>
>   Subject: libmpcodecs in libavfilter needs SVN tab/trail check to be amended
>   Message-id: <20110114120835.GB16181 at kiste2>
> 
> commit date:
> 
>   r32789 | cehoyos | 2011-01-14 23:10:21 +0100 (Fri, 14 Jan 2011) | 1 line
> 
> That gives me a full 10 hours, not the "days" you speak of, at a time
> where I am continually very busy and don't respond to email as quick as
> I usually do, something that you all were very well aware of.

It seems the fact that the commit mail was delayed by a few days got me confused

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