[FFmpeg-devel] ffmpeg.org clean up

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:48:07AM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:55:17AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:32:35AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:19:37PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:04PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:02:36PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:57AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > > > > Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:16:38AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Let me know of a plausible, cross-browser method to display 
> > > > > > > >> informational graphs (like performance vs. revision) in FATE using your 
> > > > > > > >> set of constraints. I'm still trying to solve that problem after a year.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Forget the cross-browser constraint.  Just make sure it follows the
> > > > > > > > relevant standards.  Browsers will eventually catch up, except maybe
> > > > > > > > IE, the use of which should be discouraged anyway.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So, adhere to standards that no one uses,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I beg your pardon?  The rendering engines of Firefox,  Safari and Opera
> > > > > > adhere closely to standards and even IE is catching up by leaps and
> > > > > > bounds.  This statement comes straight out of the 1990s...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > and that the biggest browser on the market does not care about?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In our "market" IE has a share of 23%, while Firefox has almost 50%.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://natsuki.mplayerhq.hu/awstats/mplayerhq.hu/200812/awstats.mplayerhq.hu.browserdetail.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Don't waste your time accomodating people that can fix their problems by
> > > > > > quickly downloading Firefox or upgrading their IE and make the world a
> > > > > > better place in the process.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Back when I redesigned the MPlayer homepage I tried to make it work on
> > > > > > IE, but the pain was just too big and the code uglification too
> > > > > > enormous.
> > > > > 
> > > > > so even though the page doesnt work in IE correctly there still are 23%
> > > > > using IE?
> > > > 
> > > > Apparently.  Note that roughly half of them are using IE 7+, which
> > > > copes much better because it adheres more closely to web standards.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > And now let's define what "work" means here.  If you point your browser
> > > > to http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ you will notice the menu on the left.  Pass
> > > > your mouse pointer over it, you will see mouseover effects.  Entries get
> > > > highlighted, underlined or surrounded by a frame.
> > > 
> > > just tried
> > > menu is above the text and no effects with my mouse pointer over it, not
> > > that i expected any but the misplaced menu is serious incompetence on your
> > > side. And that is not a IE issue its a issue of the page being written so
> > > it will not display correctly on pre CSS browsers.
> > 
> > and note, the "incompetence" is not meant as an insult, its rather a
> > statement of the fact that if one has a webpage made primarely of text and a
> > menu and that doesnt display correctly for a quarter of ones users and even
> > for some members of the project. And one fully knowing that rather brags
> > about the philosophial advantages of it being broken for them, then i simply
> > cant pick a weaker word.
> 
> MSVC accounts for much more than 25% of the installed compiler base.
> Does it compile FFmpeg?  No.  You are fully aware of this fact, yet you
> do not amend it?  Is it incompetence on your side?  Where is the
> difference?

i would accept a clean patch that adds MSVC support, noone could provide one
yet.
Your mail didnt sound like you would consider a patch fixin pre CSS support.
Would you? I mean using a table ...

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