[FFmpeg-devel] ffmpeg.org clean up

[Diego Biurrun]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:55:17AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:32:35AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:19:37PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:04PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:02:36PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:57AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > > > Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:16:38AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > > > >> Let me know of a plausible, cross-browser method to display 
> > > > > > >> informational graphs (like performance vs. revision) in FATE using your 
> > > > > > >> set of constraints. I'm still trying to solve that problem after a year.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Forget the cross-browser constraint.  Just make sure it follows the
> > > > > > > relevant standards.  Browsers will eventually catch up, except maybe
> > > > > > > IE, the use of which should be discouraged anyway.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, adhere to standards that no one uses,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I beg your pardon?  The rendering engines of Firefox,  Safari and Opera
> > > > > adhere closely to standards and even IE is catching up by leaps and
> > > > > bounds.  This statement comes straight out of the 1990s...
> > > > > 
> > > > > > and that the biggest browser on the market does not care about?
> > > > > 
> > > > > In our "market" IE has a share of 23%, while Firefox has almost 50%.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://natsuki.mplayerhq.hu/awstats/mplayerhq.hu/200812/awstats.mplayerhq.hu.browserdetail.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don't waste your time accomodating people that can fix their problems by
> > > > > quickly downloading Firefox or upgrading their IE and make the world a
> > > > > better place in the process.
> > > > 
> > > > > Back when I redesigned the MPlayer homepage I tried to make it work on
> > > > > IE, but the pain was just too big and the code uglification too
> > > > > enormous.
> > > > 
> > > > so even though the page doesnt work in IE correctly there still are 23%
> > > > using IE?
> > > 
> > > Apparently.  Note that roughly half of them are using IE 7+, which
> > > copes much better because it adheres more closely to web standards.
> > > 
> > 
> > > And now let's define what "work" means here.  If you point your browser
> > > to http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ you will notice the menu on the left.  Pass
> > > your mouse pointer over it, you will see mouseover effects.  Entries get
> > > highlighted, underlined or surrounded by a frame.
> > 
> > just tried
> > menu is above the text and no effects with my mouse pointer over it, not
> > that i expected any but the misplaced menu is serious incompetence on your
> > side. And that is not a IE issue its a issue of the page being written so
> > it will not display correctly on pre CSS browsers.
> 
> and note, the "incompetence" is not meant as an insult, its rather a
> statement of the fact that if one has a webpage made primarely of text and a
> menu and that doesnt display correctly for a quarter of ones users and even
> for some members of the project. And one fully knowing that rather brags
> about the philosophial advantages of it being broken for them, then i simply
> cant pick a weaker word.

MSVC accounts for much more than 25% of the installed compiler base.
Does it compile FFmpeg?  No.  You are fully aware of this fact, yet you
do not amend it?  Is it incompetence on your side?  Where is the
difference?

Diego