[FFmpeg-devel] ffmpeg.org clean up

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:19:37PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:04PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:02:36PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:37:57AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:16:38AM -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > > > >> Let me know of a plausible, cross-browser method to display 
> > > > >> informational graphs (like performance vs. revision) in FATE using your 
> > > > >> set of constraints. I'm still trying to solve that problem after a year.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Forget the cross-browser constraint.  Just make sure it follows the
> > > > > relevant standards.  Browsers will eventually catch up, except maybe
> > > > > IE, the use of which should be discouraged anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > So, adhere to standards that no one uses,
> > > 
> > > I beg your pardon?  The rendering engines of Firefox,  Safari and Opera
> > > adhere closely to standards and even IE is catching up by leaps and
> > > bounds.  This statement comes straight out of the 1990s...
> > > 
> > > > and that the biggest browser on the market does not care about?
> > > 
> > > In our "market" IE has a share of 23%, while Firefox has almost 50%.
> > > 
> > > http://natsuki.mplayerhq.hu/awstats/mplayerhq.hu/200812/awstats.mplayerhq.hu.browserdetail.html
> > > 
> > > Don't waste your time accomodating people that can fix their problems by
> > > quickly downloading Firefox or upgrading their IE and make the world a
> > > better place in the process.
> > 
> > > Back when I redesigned the MPlayer homepage I tried to make it work on
> > > IE, but the pain was just too big and the code uglification too
> > > enormous.
> > 
> > so even though the page doesnt work in IE correctly there still are 23%
> > using IE?
> 
> Apparently.  Note that roughly half of them are using IE 7+, which
> copes much better because it adheres more closely to web standards.
> 

> And now let's define what "work" means here.  If you point your browser
> to http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ you will notice the menu on the left.  Pass
> your mouse pointer over it, you will see mouseover effects.  Entries get
> highlighted, underlined or surrounded by a frame.

just tried
menu is above the text and no effects with my mouse pointer over it, not
that i expected any but the misplaced menu is serious incompetence on your
side. And that is not a IE issue its a issue of the page being written so
it will not display correctly on pre CSS browsers.

[...]
> > > We have no customers to scare away and no external requests to satisfy.
> > > Just do the right thing, let the IE-using lamers feel the pain.  They
> > > will switch browsers or upgrade if it is improtant to them.
> > > 
> > > I really don't know why you even want to bother...
> > 
> > let me as project leader say it once, hard and simple
> > if whoever designs the webpage knowingly designs it in a way that doesnt work
> > on a major browser. That is for example using a feature that is known not to
> > be supported on a major browser in way that is mandatory to view the page,
> > then i will replace that person by someone else who has the competence to
> > write plain html 3.2/4.0 without weird features.
> 
> I think it's a very bad idea to help Microsoft and IE hold back the web.

I think its bad to violate antitrust laws and intentionally design pages
to work just with your buddie companies browsers.
there is no difference if that be FOSS browsers or MS-EULA or some limit
to signed binaries done by apple i-"toys". Its the same thing.

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