[Ffmpeg-devel-irc] ffmpeg-devel.log.20150409

[burek]

[00:07:35 CEST] <llogan> no
[00:07:52 CEST] <llogan> hmmm...i should scroll down before replying
[00:07:58 CEST] <llogan> to something from yesterday
[00:39:14 CEST] <ffmpeg_user> Question regarding the nvenc encoder. what is the highest quality preset for nvenc ? Is it "hq", or "bd" ? I realize 'hq' is the default preset.
[00:46:53 CEST] <cone-662> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:e88b3852aefa: avcodec/aacdec: Fix storing state before PCE decode
[01:06:12 CEST] <loki_> can somebody explain me why in my program i can't found nvenc by avcodec_find_encoder_by_name ?
[01:06:20 CEST] <loki_> is it something missing?
[01:14:10 CEST] <loki_> ok all is ok...
[01:22:50 CEST] <cone-662> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:d630f38f47cf: avutil/x86/Makefile: fix conditional x86/emms.o build
[01:37:41 CEST] <cone-662> ffmpeg 03Himangi Saraogi 07master:df4fca21632a: vda: Cast to not discard constant qualifier and silence compiler warning
[05:39:20 CEST] <loki_> BtbN: good morning.
[05:39:35 CEST] <loki_> remember my expirements around cuda and ffmpeg?
[05:39:53 CEST] <loki_> i done this with simplescreenrecorder... lol
[05:40:45 CEST] <loki_> now it use cuda for rgb to nv12 convertion and ffmpeg to convert result data stream with nvenc
[05:40:58 CEST] <loki_> i recieved crazy perfomance
[05:41:03 CEST] <loki_> now i have stable 60 fps
[05:43:37 CEST] <Compn> loki_ : you are a genius :)
[05:43:57 CEST] <loki_> genious those who done job on nvenc
[05:44:10 CEST] <loki_> and simplescreenrecordre
[05:44:19 CEST] <loki_> i just done few ugly hacks
[05:45:06 CEST] <loki_> how i can show my job right?
[05:45:18 CEST] <loki_> i need to make patches or what?
[06:12:44 CEST] <Prelude2004c> hi everyone.. anyone know if there is an ffmpeg encoding limit of 120fps ?
[06:12:59 CEST] <Prelude2004c> i can't seem to encode anything above 120fps on a multi output stream
[06:13:18 CEST] <Prelude2004c> if i run the ffmpeg individually like ( 60fps ) each stream * 5 streams, it works fine
[06:13:22 CEST] <Prelude2004c> anyone have any clues..
[06:13:29 CEST] <Prelude2004c> when i run ffmpeg once with Multi out it is not fine
[06:21:23 CEST] <Compn> loki_ : yeah some patches
[06:21:42 CEST] <Compn> Prelude2004c : did you start input decoding threads and output encoding threads ? 
[06:21:44 CEST] <Compn> otherwise no idea
[06:21:45 CEST] Action: Compn sleeps
[06:34:08 CEST] <Prelude2004c> input decoding? well i simply did ffmpeg -i UDP//xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:XXXX .. -c:v ...... -f segment  HLS > 5 different bit rates
[06:34:37 CEST] <Prelude2004c> so like... ffmpeg -i <inpug> -c:v output 1 -c:v output2 -c:v output3 , etc ...
[06:34:46 CEST] <Prelude2004c> it seems stuck on 120fps
[06:35:05 CEST] <Prelude2004c> when i run multi ffmpeg threads one for each output its fine
[06:40:08 CEST] <loki_> can somebody explain me one thing.
[06:40:30 CEST] <loki_> i tried to fix a little simplescreenrecorder build proccess.
[06:40:35 CEST] <loki_> and can't get one thing.
[06:40:51 CEST] <loki_> his makefiles are around 20k or so.
[06:41:05 CEST] <loki_> are they automaticly build or what?
[06:41:23 CEST] <loki_> as i understand only MakeFile.in written by hands.
[06:41:41 CEST] <loki_> but really makefile on 20k
[06:41:45 CEST] <loki_> crazy stuff.
[06:44:12 CEST] <loki_> MakeFile.am
[06:56:37 CEST] <philipl> Presumably it uses autotools so you modify the Makefile.am
[06:57:03 CEST] <loki_> but after that i need regenerate all stuff?
[06:57:26 CEST] <loki_> it is run when is use configure or what?
[08:16:56 CEST] <philipl> loki_: you would need to rerun automake after modifying makefile.am and then rerun configure.
[08:17:37 CEST] <philipl> you shouls read up on autotools if you're going to be fiddling with such things.
[08:26:48 CEST] <tmh_> names
[08:26:50 CEST] <tmh_> sorry
[11:41:18 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:0773f6739538: avfilter/vsrc_life: Fix mix of declarations and statements
[12:43:29 CEST] <saste> how is disposition related to avdevice?
[13:15:02 CEST] <loki_> philipl: yes.. i always need something up to something... there no simple things in this world... i give up with that.
[13:29:57 CEST] <loki_> philipl: can you help me please. Where i can get help about autoconf and automake?
[13:30:04 CEST] <loki_> which channel it can be?
[13:57:18 CEST] <rcombs> wm4: how would you prefer it to encode sections after [Events]?
[13:58:44 CEST] <BBB> so what is av_dv_frame/codec_profile
[13:58:58 CEST] <BBB> as in, does anyone remember the purpose of that public api?
[13:59:09 CEST] <wm4> I think the way mkv is supposed to be muxed is that the packets could just be appended to the extradata (after converting them to proper event lines)
[13:59:25 CEST] <wm4> so a muxer can't just put the extradata after the events section
[13:59:28 CEST] <wm4> but I might be wrong
[13:59:35 CEST] <wm4> or it might be completely unspecified
[14:01:18 CEST] <rcombs> these aren't event lines
[14:02:59 CEST] <rcombs> AFAIK you can shove whatever you like in CodecPrivate as long as the codec specifies what to do with it
[14:03:48 CEST] <rcombs> and ASS doesn't have a real spec, so what the codec specifies to do is "whatever works for real files", and real files expect extra sections at the end to get shoved in CodecPrivate after [Events]\nFormat:&\n
[14:04:03 CEST] <rcombs> which probably comes from mkvmerge
[14:04:58 CEST] <rcombs> also, that change makes ffmpeg remux a .ass with extra sections at the end correctly
[14:04:59 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:98d0c4236c75: avcodec/h264: Be more tolerant to changing pps id between slices
[14:05:37 CEST] <rcombs> (acidic also shoves extra sections at the end of extradata)
[14:05:42 CEST] <rcombs> *assdec
[14:08:53 CEST] <wm4> that sounds fine then
[15:17:27 CEST] <kierank> wm4: jesus wept that thread
[15:17:32 CEST] <kierank> literally it is killing me
[15:18:22 CEST] <Compn> loools
[15:22:01 CEST] <wm4> Compn: it's not a bikeshed, it's just an argument full of stupidity
[15:22:59 CEST] <wm4> with ridiculous suggestions like showing youtube ads in ffmpeg
[15:23:02 CEST] <wm4> I mean
[15:23:06 CEST] <wm4> what are you even thinking
[15:24:41 CEST] <kierank> this is some kind of ffmpeg tea party of madness
[15:34:22 CEST] <pross> revenue problem, solved.
[15:34:53 CEST] <loki_> on phenom 925 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2015.04.09-16%3A34%3A24.png
[15:34:56 CEST] <loki_> lol
[15:38:20 CEST] <kierank> pross: this has become a 1 licence violation is a tragedy but millions are a statistic
[15:44:08 CEST] <michaelni> rcombs, maybe you want to review stefanos patches to lavf/segment ? there are some on the ML which are still missing a review
[16:27:13 CEST] <rcombs> michaelni: is he on IRC?
[16:28:30 CEST] Action: michaelni looks around for saste
[16:28:41 CEST] Action: michaelni sees no saste
[16:28:51 CEST] <michaelni> rcombs, not ATM it seems
[16:29:34 CEST] <rcombs> alright, I'll reply via email
[16:30:26 CEST] <michaelni> ok thanks
[16:31:26 CEST] <rcombs> one of these days we should reimplement dash, smoothstreaming, webm dash, and hls in terms of segment
[16:31:39 CEST] <rcombs> there's a hilarious amount of code duplication between all those
[16:48:18 CEST] <wm4> why doesn't this nicolas guy just stop
[16:49:33 CEST] <nevcairiel> rcombs: if only segment had smarter preset modes .. to get it to produce proper hls segments you have to figure out like 3 options that need setting, hlsenc is just easier to use :d
[17:21:01 CEST] <rcombs> nevcairiel: hlsenc could easily be a wrapper around segment
[17:24:36 CEST] <nevcairiel> I would argue that its probably better to somehow factor the common parts into reusable code instead of trying yo shove all sorts of special magic into segment for 6 or so formats
[17:26:18 CEST] <rcombs> yeah, I'd want to have the most useful bits (determining where to break segments, especially) in non-static functions
[17:27:02 CEST] <rcombs> honestly, webm dash doesn't need to be its own muxer at all
[17:32:20 CEST] <Daemon404> ack godammit
[17:32:30 CEST] <Daemon404> bitten again by ffmpeg's refusal to use pkg-config
[17:32:38 CEST] <Daemon404> i sat here thinking "why the hell isnt it working"
[17:32:43 CEST] <Daemon404> orite because carl.
[17:33:39 CEST] <nevcairiel> Wait until he goes on vacation, send patch
[17:38:43 CEST] <Daemon404> nevcairiel, hm... problem is i am almost on vacation when he is away
[17:38:49 CEST] <Daemon404> ill even be in the same city as him
[17:38:53 CEST] <Daemon404> (berlin)
[17:38:56 CEST] <nevcairiel> Poor you
[17:38:58 CEST] <Daemon404> (but not attending linuxtag)
[17:39:36 CEST] <iive> i've always thought that it's ok to use pkg-config but there should be fall-back if it is not present
[17:39:42 CEST] <iive> or fails
[17:40:21 CEST] <Daemon404> ubitux tried that
[17:40:23 CEST] <Daemon404> a lot.
[17:40:30 CEST] <Daemon404> carl was still unhappy
[17:40:34 CEST] <nevcairiel> It's a clear dependency which is present like everywhere, all the reasons for wanting a fallback are just cheap excuses
[17:50:07 CEST] <Daemon404> -lvpx -lvpx -lvpx -lvpx
[17:50:12 CEST] <Daemon404> i like how configure adds it 4 times
[17:50:18 CEST] <Daemon404> one for each encoder or decoder that uses it
[17:50:22 CEST] <Daemon404> very smart.
[17:51:33 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:7be2d2a70cd2: avcodec/h264: Use only one ERContext
[17:51:52 CEST] <Daemon404> \o/
[17:57:50 CEST] <nevcairiel> ffmpeg, where "unfixable broken" (quote Anton) code simply gets fixed
[17:58:03 CEST] <kierank> nevcairiel: difficult to tell who is right though
[17:58:25 CEST] <nevcairiel> Enable ER and fuzz some more?
[17:58:32 CEST] <kierank> that is what i'm doing right now
[17:58:49 CEST] <nevcairiel> I think its still default off for slice threads
[17:58:55 CEST] <kierank> yup
[17:58:57 CEST] <kierank> editing it now
[18:37:46 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Timo Rothenpieler 07master:7b0689c55f1f: avcodec/nvenc: Add options for level and tier
[18:57:01 CEST] <jamrial> nevcairiel: is the libdcadec patch ok to you?
[19:22:02 CEST] <Prelude2004c> hi everyone
[19:22:09 CEST] <Prelude2004c> can anyone help.. still looking for a solution
[19:22:14 CEST] <Prelude2004c> ffmpeg code looks like this " ffmpeg -i udp://239.255.4.144:5000?ttl=100?&fifo_size=640000&overrun_nonfatal=1 -acodec copy -vcodec copy -coder 1 -deblock alpha -me_range 21 -subq 7 -c:v h264 -preset veryfast -r 60 -g 180 -qscale:v 1 -async 1 -b:v 5500k -maxrate 6500k -bufsize 10000k -s 1280x720 -threads 0 -strict experimental -refs 1 -bf 0 -map 0:p:1305:0 -map 0:p:1305:1 -acodec aac -ar 48000 -ac 2 -b:a 128k -f segment -segm
[19:22:14 CEST] <Prelude2004c> _list /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_5M.m3u8 -segment_list_type flat -segment_list_flags live -segment_list_type m3u8 -segment_time 3 -segment_list_size 15 -segment_format mpegts /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_5M_%08d.ts -c:v h264 -preset veryfast -r 60 -g 180 -qscale:v 1 -async 1 -b:v 3500k -maxrate 4500k -bufsize 10000k -s 1280x720 -threads 0 -strict experimental -refs 1 -bf 0 -map 0:p:1305:0 -map 0:p:1305
[19:22:15 CEST] <Prelude2004c> :1 -acodec aac -ar 48000 -ac 2 -b:a 128k -f segment -segment_list /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_3M.m3u8 -segment_list_type flat -segment_list_flags live -segment_list_type m3u8 -segment_time 3 -segment_list_size 15 -segment_format mpegts /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_3M_%08d.ts -c:v h264 -preset veryfast -r 60 -g 180 -qscale:v 1 -async 1 -b:v 2500k -maxrate 3500k -bufsize 10000k -s 1024x576 -threads 0 -str
[19:22:15 CEST] <Prelude2004c> ict experimental -refs 1 -bf 0 -map 0:p:1305:0 -map 0:p:1305:1 -acodec aac -ar 48000 -ac 2 -b:a 128k -f segment -segment_list /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_2M.m3u8 -segment_list_type flat -segment_list_flags live -segment_list_type m3u8 -segment_time 3 -segment_list_size 15 -segment_format mpegts /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_2M_%08d.ts -c:v h264 -preset veryfast -r 60 -g 180 -qscale:v 1 -async 1 -b:v 1000
[19:22:15 CEST] <Prelude2004c> k -maxrate 2500k -bufsize 10000k -s 1024x576 -threads 0 -strict experimental -refs 1 -bf 0 -map 0:p:1305:0 -map 0:p:1305:1 -acodec aac -ar 48000 -ac 2 -b:a 128k -f segment -segment_list /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_1M.m3u8 -segment_list_type flat -segment_list_flags live -segment_list_type m3u8 -segment_time 3 -segment_list_size 15 -segment_format mpegts /var/www/html/TSN5H/TSN5H_1M_%08d.ts
[19:22:19 CEST] <Prelude2004c> oops...
[19:22:27 CEST] <Prelude2004c> well tahts the code anyways
[19:22:34 CEST] <Prelude2004c> 1 input > 5 outputs
[19:23:29 CEST] <Prelude2004c> stuck at like 120fps
[19:23:45 CEST] <Prelude2004c> seperate ffmpeg sessions for each output doesn't give me any restriction
[20:01:21 CEST] <wm4> Prelude2004c: #ffmpeg
[20:15:48 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Vittorio Giovara 07master:f8fd0c29ce5d: v210: Fix typo in header guards
[20:15:49 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:9fd3d9acf7fb: Merge commit 'f8fd0c29ce5dc7d4be13e7e89d0f1e8a035ae71b'
[20:16:59 CEST] <iive> Prelude2004c: #ffmpeg and use pastebin site.
[20:26:13 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Vittorio Giovara 07master:be089af38f65: mov: Rely on box type rather than file type for colr atom
[20:26:14 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:98c7d305a7b2: Merge commit 'be089af38f65dc8b1fe3564f98020fc815577edb'
[20:29:14 CEST] <Compn> wm4 : well, did you talk to youtube about vlc playing youtube videos without ads ? :P
[20:29:28 CEST] <Compn> ask j-b what youtube says about that , because he talked to them :D
[20:29:36 CEST] <Compn> in person of course
[20:33:14 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Vittorio Giovara 07master:5980c924e309: dnxhd: Log the selected profile id
[20:33:15 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:72a580268ff9: Merge commit '5980c924e309ae1dde8bd52d9938f94ff02602eb'
[20:40:04 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Vittorio Giovara 07master:783df7d5c5ab: riff: Add 'M705' FourCC for mpeg2video
[20:40:05 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:e77270cd93e1: Merge commit '783df7d5c5ab15f3d1afe2541c7d461c81c5c29d'
[20:47:23 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Ferdinand Oeinck 07master:0266988ccd15: hqx: Fix clipping error in idct put function
[20:47:24 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:7ef59803e809: Merge commit '0266988ccd15436eaf5f7bb6f9509e6bfd5ce589'
[20:52:20 CEST] <Timothy_Gu> ubitux: you here?
[20:58:40 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Anders Nystrom 07master:27852f2f1dec: libavformat: Handle error return from ff_listen_bind
[20:58:41 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:71288bf80f37: Merge commit '27852f2f1dec3749ea79883b70484c841169f747'
[21:26:42 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Diego Biurrun 07master:c201069fac9a: avdevice: Add missing header for NULL_IF_CONFIG_SMALL
[21:26:43 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:fe25194c5870: Merge commit 'c201069fac9a76e6604f9d84d76a172434d62200'
[21:26:44 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:259fd4c7cfb8: avdevice/vfwcap: put the headers back in the order in which they need to be
[21:29:27 CEST] <Compn> michaelni : a lot of us review the merge commits on cvslog , we are just quiet about it.
[21:29:48 CEST] <Compn> michaelni : do you want a count of people that review merges ? maybe that would be nice.
[21:30:17 CEST] <michaelni> no, need to count them
[21:31:44 CEST] <Compn> what do you think about youtube writing a patch to support youtube videos in ffmpeg ? 
[21:31:50 CEST] <Compn> if they include ads though
[21:31:59 CEST] <Compn> but also maintain the code...
[21:32:28 CEST] <Compn> i havent asked youtube about it,  idont think i have any contact info.
[21:34:32 CEST] <kierank> 8:31 PM <"Compn> if they include ads though
[21:34:32 CEST] <kierank> 8:32 PM <"Compn> but also maintain the code...
[21:34:36 CEST] <kierank> this is the stupidest idea in the world
[21:34:47 CEST] <Compn> i am the king of stupid :)
[21:34:51 CEST] <kierank> might as well ask apple too
[21:34:54 CEST] <kierank> itunes in ffmpeg
[21:34:58 CEST] <Compn> why not, really...
[21:35:12 CEST] <Compn> many people like itunes (even if i do not)
[21:35:25 CEST] <Compn> just because you also do not like it, is no reason to ban it :P
[21:35:36 CEST] Action: Compn updates his adblock
[21:36:13 CEST] <kierank> "I am, therefore I need to be in FFmpeg". (Compn, 2015)
[21:37:24 CEST] <Compn> of course it would be better suited for player applications i guess
[21:37:40 CEST] <Compn> or in the libs, not in ffmpeg encoder :P
[21:38:26 CEST] <kierank> 8:38 PM <"kierank> yes then make a higher level lib than avformat
[21:38:26 CEST] <kierank> 8:38 PM <"kierank> instead of dumping everything there because you can't get higher level
[21:39:31 CEST] <Compn> alright alright :P
[21:40:00 CEST] <kierank> this is like the libmpcodecs merge all over again
[21:40:05 CEST] <kierank> people are annoyed but are ignored
[21:40:27 CEST] <j-b> it's ridiculous
[21:41:55 CEST] <Compn> luckily i have no influence on this project , so you can ignore me 
[21:42:33 CEST] <Compn> and i just saw my first h265 in the wild. great.
[21:42:46 CEST] <j-b> well, you really should put DVB support in
[21:42:57 CEST] <BtbN> Doesn't youtube-dl have support for ffmpeg, as it uses it to convert videos to mp3s?
[21:43:03 CEST] <Compn> BtbN : yes
[21:43:12 CEST] <BtbN> Can't it just get more smart about that, and do the stuff that "demuxer" does?
[21:43:37 CEST] <kierank> j-b: dvb support?
[21:44:36 CEST] <j-b> yeah, and a full Dshow resolution, and an API to control ASI devices
[21:44:56 CEST] <Compn> dvb in windows then ?
[21:44:56 CEST] <kierank> lol
[21:45:49 CEST] <j-b> oh, and gopher is not in.
[21:45:56 CEST] <BtbN> I tried to do DVB stuff on windows a while back, but failed to find documentation.
[21:46:01 CEST] <iive> BtbN: it also uses ffmpeg for rtmp capture
[21:46:26 CEST] <j-b> BtbN: it's normal. To do correct support, you need undocumented APIs
[21:48:51 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Diego Biurrun 07master:8d26c193fb42: avdevice: Apply a more consistent file naming scheme
[21:48:52 CEST] <cone-154> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:b1b58310d092: Merge commit '8d26c193fb42d08602ac93ece039d4718d029adc'
[21:49:00 CEST] <BtbN> It's aparently so undocumented that even their own Media Center doesn't fully support it.
[21:53:38 CEST] <j-b> yes
[22:29:24 CEST] <nevcairiel> TV on the PC is a nightmare anyway, mostly because the broadcasters don't want it, since they are afraid you steal their content
[22:30:29 CEST] <BtbN> Too bad for them, people will get their content somewhere else.
[22:34:36 CEST] <nevcairiel> Yeah. Broadcasters need to get their shit together or TV will eventually die
[22:35:16 CEST] <gnafu> "[...]TV will eventually die" <-- FTFY
[22:35:18 CEST] <BtbN> TV will die, fixed schedule broadcasts just don't have a future anymore.
[22:35:25 CEST] <Compn> tv is dead already, they just dont know it anymore
[22:35:33 CEST] <Compn> er dont know it yet
[22:35:35 CEST] <gnafu> It's only mostly dead.
[22:35:50 CEST] <BtbN> It will die when the older generations die.
[22:36:00 CEST] <Compn> i'm surprised the view numbers on music videos havent made mtv play music videos again
[22:36:08 CEST] <Compn> the view counts on youtube that is
[22:36:13 CEST] <gnafu> I do enjoy my antenna-->HDHomeRun-->MythTV-->Fire TV running Kodi setup for the occasional Packers game or network TV show.
[22:36:51 CEST] <gnafu> Compn: But people only watch the music videos on YouTube so they can hear the song; the video is irrelevant.
[22:37:19 CEST] <BtbN> If it's a video at all
[22:37:24 CEST] <Compn> thats a possibility of course
[22:37:27 CEST] <gnafu> I've known a few people with long video playlists because it was an easy way for them to listen to a list of their favorite songs in a background tab or window while doing other things.
[22:37:53 CEST] <Compn> youtube plays ads in the music videos. it would be interesting to see the stats on those ads
[22:38:05 CEST] <gnafu> Like faxing a printed screenshot, it gets the job done.
[22:38:25 CEST] <gnafu> I'm still amazed at how many people do that one.
[22:39:46 CEST] <philipl> An audio-only youtube would get shutdown for enabling copyright infringment. With the video, you can pretend it's all home videos.
[22:40:24 CEST] <BtbN> It also gets shut down with the video, so...
[22:40:56 CEST] <philipl> The videos get shut down. I don't think the service itself could survive the legal attacks if it was audio only.
[22:40:59 CEST] <gnafu> There are plenty of legit music videos posted by the copyright holders.  Even so, I doubt half the view of those videos are from people actually watching the video portion.
[22:41:15 CEST] <gnafu> s/the view/the views/
[22:41:16 CEST] <BtbN> Well, youtube without videos and only for music would be basicaly spotify.
[22:41:52 CEST] <BtbN> Nothing wrong with that business model
[22:42:00 CEST] <nevcairiel> Didn't google offer a subscription so you can pay to watch official music videos without copyright concerns?
[22:42:05 CEST] <philipl> Yes.
[22:42:16 CEST] <philipl> spotify doesn't let people upload their own music.
[22:42:32 CEST] <BtbN> Not as easily as on YT, no.
[22:42:42 CEST] <BtbN> But if you are serious about your music, it's not too hard.
[22:42:47 CEST] <philipl> That's true.
[22:42:48 CEST] <nevcairiel> Also they already have a thing for audio-only, its called google music, including uploading your own
[22:43:00 CEST] <philipl> But not shareable.
[22:43:23 CEST] <philipl> Where was I going with this? Youtube is the easiest way to listen to music that random people have uploaded. None of the audio-only services let you do that.
[22:43:39 CEST] <philipl> So, you get people using it as a jukebox with the video hidden.
[22:43:58 CEST] <BtbN> There's also a ton of stuff on YT you won't find anywhere else.
[22:45:54 CEST] <gnafu> Like this song I stumbled on the other day while listening to random classic punk songs on my phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suN-TBGCHDY
[22:46:27 CEST] <gnafu> I suppose it might be on one of the other streaming music services, but I don't use those.  It was just in the list of recommended videos after listening to some Dead Kennedys and other stuff.
[23:07:34 CEST] <kierank> wm4: jesus that thread gets worse
[23:07:47 CEST] <kierank> I am struggling not to reply
[23:09:43 CEST] <wm4> are you? even I gave up
[23:10:41 CEST] <Compn> it was a good troll against wm4 :)
[23:10:46 CEST] <kierank> the Lukasz Marek post is pissing me off
[23:10:51 CEST] <Compn> Sometimes I have a feeling that ffmpeg is an open source project to feed 
[23:10:51 CEST] <Compn> wm4's project.
[23:11:07 CEST] Action: kierank avoids
[23:11:25 CEST] <kierank> but the fact that the FFmpeg "leadership" can't stand up to that guy is terrible
[23:11:32 CEST] <Compn> which guy ?
[23:11:36 CEST] <kierank> Lukasz Marek
[23:11:39 CEST] <Compn> nicolas george ?
[23:11:44 CEST] <kierank> all his stupid code needs to be merged
[23:11:54 CEST] Action: Compn confuse.
[23:13:48 CEST] <wm4> ah now I read this post
[23:13:55 CEST] <wm4> I will counter-troll tomorrow or so
[23:14:15 CEST] <wm4> because obviously ffmpeg is a rpoject that needs to add everything he needs
[23:14:52 CEST] <j-b> wm4: hahah, you got called "drama queen"
[23:14:59 CEST] <j-b> wm4: sorry, but ha, ha, ha!
[23:15:20 CEST] <wm4> actually I didn't...
[23:15:29 CEST] <j-b> oh, almost
[23:15:34 CEST] <j-b> kierank: you are a 'douche'
[23:15:36 CEST] <j-b> :)
[23:15:42 CEST] <kierank> a shower
[23:15:44 CEST] <j-b> soon, you'll get death-threats :)
[23:15:59 CEST] <kierank> i'll frame it
[23:16:07 CEST] <Compn> you guys could fight , or you could just leave it alone
[23:16:20 CEST] <kierank> yes and that guy's crap will continue to get merged
[23:16:20 CEST] <Compn> its up to you of course
[23:16:27 CEST] <kierank> just like libmpcodecs
[23:16:32 CEST] <j-b> time to fork
[23:16:34 CEST] <Compn> libmpcodecs is gone 
[23:16:45 CEST] <Compn> continue to complain about it forever though
[23:16:57 CEST] <kierank> it should never have been merged in the first place
[23:17:22 CEST] <nevcairiel> the oldest non-argument in the book "if you dont like this feature, just disable it at compile time" ... that people don't get the idea of bloat and maintainability
[23:18:30 CEST] <kierank> I'm going to fork soon
[23:18:32 CEST] <kierank> ffmpeg-lite
[23:18:40 CEST] <wm4> Compn: we are very glad it's gone
[23:21:34 CEST] Action: Compn surprised no one went to help ffmbc fork
[23:21:39 CEST] <Compn> or join that fork
[23:21:52 CEST] <Compn> since they want stable and non bloat blah blah blah
[23:21:56 CEST] <kierank> well there was no git
[23:21:59 CEST] <Compn> ah
[23:22:03 CEST] <Compn> of course, the git
[23:22:03 CEST] <kierank> probably if there was a git I would have
[23:22:15 CEST] <Compn> baptiste : ffmbc git when ?
[23:22:21 CEST] <Daemon404> never
[23:22:22 CEST] <nevcairiel> they are evil and abused the LGPL clause that lets you convert to GPL, so backports are impossible =p
[23:22:55 CEST] <nevcairiel> (i still dont understand how that clause fits into the spirit of the license, but who am I to argue with the neckbeards)
[23:23:43 CEST] <beastd> nevcairiel: I hate that clause of the LGPL
[23:23:45 CEST] <kepstin-laptop> it's basically a workaround to the fact that the LGPL and GPL licenses are incompatible for linking libraries
[23:23:51 CEST] <j-b> yep
[23:24:43 CEST] <Compn> one day people who think they can fork a large project because they dont agree with every other developer on everything will learn that there is no perfect project for them to work on where they all agree. but ughhhh
[23:25:16 CEST] <Daemon404> most projects would take many people dissenting as "maybe i shouldnt merge this"
[23:25:43 CEST] <Compn> the systemd guys agree :P
[23:25:54 CEST] Action: Compn sends troll bomb to Daemon404
[23:26:01 CEST] <Daemon404> jokes on you
[23:26:05 CEST] <Daemon404> i give 0 fucks about systemd
[23:26:17 CEST] <Compn> good 
[23:26:24 CEST] <Compn> dbus? pulseaudio?
[23:26:43 CEST] <Daemon404> oh theyre all terrible design wise.
[23:26:46 CEST] <Daemon404> but i dont run linux desktop.
[23:27:30 CEST] Action: Compn wonders why he gives examples at all if they are to be ignored anyway
[23:27:45 CEST] <j-b> Compn: because we don't like you :)
[23:27:51 CEST] Action: j-b outtrols Compn 
[23:29:35 CEST] <kierank> j-b: aww you have more outreachy applications than ffmpeg :(
[23:30:14 CEST] <Daemon404> my condolences
[23:30:15 CEST] <kierank> not sure why they make it possible to see other projects
[23:30:37 CEST] <j-b> Daemon404: I'll take only one student, and she's good enough, and very likable.
[23:30:47 CEST] <Daemon404> j-b, oic
[23:30:56 CEST] <Daemon404> i have bad experiences with all paid student programs
[23:31:11 CEST] <j-b> I had more than you do, if I may say.
[23:31:21 CEST] <Daemon404> oh im sure.
[23:31:27 CEST] <j-b> and I'll manage her, with simplicity
[23:31:34 CEST] <j-b> she has a simple, but long and boring task
[23:31:53 CEST] <nevcairiel> poor her
[23:32:12 CEST] <j-b> nevcairiel: I'm not that bad, as a person :)
[23:32:22 CEST] <Daemon404> but as a boss...
[23:32:27 CEST] <j-b> aha :)
[23:32:32 CEST] <wm4> what task?
[23:32:38 CEST] <j-b> porn :)
[23:32:48 CEST] <Daemon404> wmv
[23:32:49 CEST] <Daemon404> ?
[23:32:51 CEST] <j-b> no
[23:32:56 CEST] <j-b> simpler
[23:32:57 CEST] <wm4> making the kinds of files vlc users care most about work?
[23:33:11 CEST] <j-b> wm4: no, it's not that :)
[23:33:15 CEST] <Daemon404> hmmm not sure what then
[23:33:19 CEST] <Daemon404> porn -> long gop wmv
[23:33:22 CEST] <Daemon404> in my midn
[23:33:27 CEST] <j-b> no, not porn at all
[23:33:28 CEST] <j-b> XML
[23:33:35 CEST] <wm4> ew
[23:33:37 CEST] <nevcairiel> its really fascinating how so much porn is encoded so terribly =p
[23:34:07 CEST] <j-b> X-art is not
[23:34:13 CEST] <nevcairiel> i dont remember how often people gave me links to porn files in private and asking for fixes
[23:34:26 CEST] <nevcairiel> most probably wmv/asf
[23:34:27 CEST] Action: Daemon404 whacks j-b with flip4mac
[23:35:08 CEST] <j-b> Daemon404: haha, you're not ice.
[23:35:10 CEST] <j-b> nice8
[23:35:21 CEST] <Daemon404> i dont think anyone ever claimed i was
[23:35:26 CEST] <jamrial> why, though? do porn creators edit using windows movie maker?
[23:35:35 CEST] <Daemon404> j-b, no it's mac stuff
[23:35:40 CEST] <Daemon404> licensed wmv encoder on mac
[23:35:44 CEST] <Daemon404> er jamrial
[23:35:49 CEST] <j-b> Daemon404: I know, it's insane ugly shit
[23:35:50 CEST] <Daemon404> or quicktime, if youre lucky
[23:36:08 CEST] <Daemon404> and might i add
[23:36:22 CEST] <Daemon404> a surprisingly large amount of porn is encoded with mplayer compiled in 2004 or so
[23:36:26 CEST] <nevcairiel> i have no clue why wmv, maybe some of them even use windows movie maker =p
[23:36:27 CEST] <Daemon404> er 2006
[23:36:35 CEST] <Daemon404> sorry, mencoder.
[23:36:57 CEST] <Compn> because mencoder works! (haha just kidding)
[23:37:04 CEST] <Daemon404> anyway, there's a simple answer
[23:37:14 CEST] <Daemon404> more or less all porn sites are owned by 3 or so large companies
[23:37:15 CEST] <nevcairiel> most of the time seeking is flat out broken in those files (some of that may be ffmpegs asf demuxer's fault, who knows), and often enough they are async  as well :p
[23:37:26 CEST] <Daemon404> hence they all use the same garbage
[23:37:28 CEST] <Daemon404> to encode
[23:37:43 CEST] <Daemon404> nevcairiel, i cant say i have ever turned on audio for samples i recieve
[23:37:56 CEST] <nevcairiel> well if the error report is specifically about that...
[23:38:04 CEST] <Daemon404> you have weirdu sers
[23:38:06 CEST] <Daemon404> users*
[23:38:24 CEST] <nevcairiel> spanking works wonders for figuring out sync!
[23:38:27 CEST] <nevcairiel> ok i'll leave now
[23:38:51 CEST] <jamrial> lol
[23:39:07 CEST] <Compn> j-b has all of the spanking samples 
[23:39:44 CEST] <Daemon404> unfortunately 
[23:39:51 CEST] <nevcairiel> and i bet a large majority is even too embarrased to report problems with porn samples
[23:39:54 CEST] <Compn> in rm format too
[23:39:54 CEST] <j-b> I had worse than spanking
[23:39:57 CEST] <Daemon404> unfortunately i only get large BD-size samples*
[23:40:04 CEST] <Daemon404> man i really picked a bad time to hti enter too quick
[23:40:10 CEST] <nevcairiel> haha
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